This is fine.

[Estebonrober]

Of course, their brand of state capitalism was helping to ruin it probably even faster than Western capitalism did. The USSR was really not in a position to point any fingers at the West when it came to environmental degradation...

This is accurate but they had a good system in place to manage wild fires and gave it up.

 

[Narz]

You seem to be under the impression that I hate Obama. Yet more evidence that people here just make assumptions about what people they disagree with believe without actually reading what they post.

Lol it's called having fun. Try it sometime.

 

[Lexicus]

I don;t think blame helps here, we need solutions and compromise.

"Compromise"?? Something like "you can burn half the forest but you have to leave the other half intact or we'll right you a very angry letter"??

 

[Estebonrober]

"Compromise"?? Something like "you can burn half the forest but you have to leave the other half intact or we'll right you a very angry letter"??

"leave the other half intact or we take your property" would be preferable.

 

[Dekker]

What is the political system like in Brazil? I get here in the US we have our electoral issues that allows the majority votes to lose a presidency, however both parties are economically very similar up until this more supposed progressive slant the Dems are going for.

Emmanuel Macron responded to some pathetic treats from Bolsonaro saying he respects the Brazilian people and hopes they can get a president they deserve...

But do they not deserve who they put into power? Is this not their own doing for falling for the uber capitalist promise of the far right?

 

[Commodore]

But do they not deserve who they put into power? Is this not their own doing for falling for the uber capitalist promise of the far right?

I believe every nation, regardless of their political system, deserves the government it has. Democracies because the people vote them into power and dictatorships because the people are too meek and scared to rise up and overthrow them.

 

[Dekker]

I believe every nation, regardless of their political system, deserves the government it has. Democracies because the people vote them into power and dictatorships because the people are too meek and scared to rise up and overthrow them.

Agreed though I don't think it's the people too meek to overthrow but usually bought in to the message they were sold, and holding onto irrational fears against alternatives. (For example North Korea)

 

[Lexicus]

I believe every nation, regardless of their political system, deserves the government it has. Democracies because the people vote them into power and dictatorships because the people are too meek and scared to rise up and overthrow them.

So uh Iraq being an exception or....?

@Dekker Bolsonaro was essentially foisted onto Brazil because the only opponent he had with any credibility was imprisoned on charges that later turned out to be essentially fabricated. Bolsonaro did not win a real election and should not be considered to have any kind of democratic mandate.

I will take this opportunity to reiterate that he is a real chance for the CIA to earn both their pay and my praise...

 

[Gorbles]

I'm seeing the argument of "dictatorships are the oppressed populace's fault" on this page, and I just want to call it out for being utterly idiotic.

 

[Lexicus]

I'm seeing the argument of "dictatorships are the oppressed populace's fault" on this page, and I just want to call it out for being utterly idiotic.

Weirdly, said by a dude who participated in and afaik still to this day supports the Iraq War

 

[Samson]

One possible positive outcome of this is that the countries that have these globally important natural resources are able to monetise them appropriately. The attitude of many in Europe at least is that it is Brazil's responsibility to look after the forest, for the good of the whole world, when we cut down our trees over the last few millennia and will exploit any resource within our borders with little concern for the global environment.

The only way I see for these ecosystems to survive for generations, as is needed, is for the rich countries to make it worth it for poor people to not destroy them for short term profit. Whether this is directly from the exchequer or some sort of trading scheme is the question.

 

[Socrates99]

One possible positive outcome of this is that the countries that have these globally important natural resources are able to monetise them appropriately. The attitude of many in Europe at least is that it is Brazil's responsibility to look after the forest, for the good of the whole world, when we cut down our trees over the last few millennia and will exploit any resource within our borders with little concern for the global environment.

The only way I see for these ecosystems to survive for generations, as is needed, is for the rich countries to make it worth it for poor people to not destroy them for short term profit. Whether this is directly from the exchequer or some sort of trading scheme is the question.

Good point. I saw a commentary that partially blamed Brazilian nationalism. The "why should they tell us what to do with our forests?" aspect. In a capitalist world that kind of thing needs to come with an incentive.

 

[Dekker]

So uh Iraq being an exception or....?

@Dekker Bolsonaro was essentially foisted onto Brazil because the only opponent he had with any credibility was imprisoned on charges that later turned out to be essentially fabricated. Bolsonaro did not win a real election and should not be considered to have any kind of democratic mandate.

I will take this opportunity to reiterate that he is a real chance for the CIA to earn both their pay and my praise...

Thanks I really haven't followed or am aware of politics there. I guess the trend overall with these shifts to the far right, Hungary, brexit, etc. has diminished my sympathies for the populaces, because there still are large majorities that embrace those directions. But those are not dictatorships, tyranny with power for sure is not easy to overcome.

 

[El_Machinae]

Weirdly, said by a dude who participated in and afaik still to this day supports the Iraq War

fault can be multifactorial, obviously. After that, it's more a question of finding percentages. Also, the obligation to intercede is not completely tied to underlying fault.

I should be doing something about Ebola, even if it's many degrees of separation to say that I'm at fault for the pandemic

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I'm getting some bad flashbacks to playing SimEarth.

 

[Lexicus]

fault can be multifactorial, obviously. After that, it's more a question of finding percentages. Also, the obligation to intercede is not completely tied to underlying fault.

I should be doing something about Ebola, even if it's many degrees of separation to say that I'm at fault for the pandemic

less about "fault" and more about hypocrisy really

 

[El_Machinae]

You're correct. The original post was "deserves", not "fault". Very different things, if you're willing to dig into the two concepts.