Trump explained - because you all are blind

[Borachio]

This alt right lady has a good enough explanation for Trump:

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Alas, she obviously misspoke: The Worst Period Generation Period Ever Period didn't disengage.
It was plenty engaged. With the cancer that is killing American Liberalism.
Which she correctly identifies:

The thing is here, though: the "We need to talk about..." meme references "We need to talk about Kevin".

And the main thing (well, one of the main things) about "We need to talk about Kevin" is that it was retrospective. Kevin had already done his mischief.

But the audience didn't think he had. Until right at the end.

Hmm. Maybe I'm reading too much into this.

 

[metatron]

The thing is here, though: the "We need to talk about..." meme references "We need to talk about Kevin".

[...]

Hmm. Maybe I'm reading too much into this.

Tbh, i think you are. I think the lady isn't going for the reference.

 

[Janskey]

In other news:

Ravens remember people who suckered them into an unfair deal
...
When the birds then tried to broker a trade with “fair” and “unfair” partners—some completed the trade as expected, but others took the raven’s bread and kept (and ate) the cheese—the ravens avoided the tricksters in separate trials a month later. This suggests that ravens can not only differentiate between “fair” and “unfair” individuals, but they retain that ability for at least a month, the researchers write this month in Animal Behavior.
...

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/06/ravens-remember-people-who-suckered-them-unfair-deal

It will be interesting to see, whether humans have the same capability.

 

[Lexicus]

It will be interesting to see, whether humans have the same capability.

We already know they don't, or no one would have voted for Trump

 

[caketastydelish]

In other news:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/06/ravens-remember-people-who-suckered-them-unfair-deal

It will be interesting to see, whether humans have the same capability.

Joe Flacco definitely ripped them off with that contract. Then again he did just get them a Super Bowl that year so they didn't have much of a choice.

 

[aelf]

The answer is probably no. And as the moderates say, maybe you should respect the people's democratic choice and embrace the Trump administration. After all, you probably won't suffer any consequences until you do. That's the political equilibrium; the moderates probably have that right.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The answer is probably no. And as the moderates say, maybe you should respect the people's democratic choice and embrace the Trump administration. After all, you probably won't suffer any consequences until you do. That's the political equilibrium; the moderates probably have that right.

I'm curious where you find moderates suggesting "embrace the Trump administration."

 

[aelf]

I'm curious where you find moderates suggesting "embrace the Trump administration."

Well, a few self-professed moderates on this forum, for one. Either they say things like Americans should respect the result of the democratic process and quit complaining about Trump, or they deny that there's anything productive that can be done outside the narrow remit of that process. Either one of those amount to 'embracing the Trump administration' while it lasts.

Outside of this forum, you also have people who are hung up on the fact that "He's (still) our President."

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Well, a few self-professed moderates on this forum, for one. Either they say things like Americans should respect the result of the democratic process and quit complaining about Trump, or they deny that there's anything productive that can be done outside the narrow remit of that process. Either one of those amount to 'embracing the Trump administration' while it lasts.

Outside of this forum, you also have people who are hung up on the fact that "He's (still) our President."

My filtration is automatically dealing with the "self professed" part of your description. As in, sure, I see some right wing extremists claiming they are moderates and embracing Trump, but I wouldn't use that as a brush for tarring actual moderates.

 

[metalhead]

The thing is, nothing bad has really happened as a result of Trump being president yet. Not that touches people's personal lives, anyways. His support will likely not erode much further until it does.

However, that day is approaching. In a few months, insurers will be releasing their expected rate increases and coverages for the upcoming year. They will have to price in an awful lot of uncertainty given that nobody seems to have an idea of what, if anything, Congress will do to shore up the individual markets. Trump is non-committal on making the subsidy payments to insurance companies and seems content to fiddle while the markets in some areas implode. It seems nigh-unavoidable this point that we will be looking at very large price increases in many places, and more counties being left without any options on the individual markets.

Trump promised an easy fix to this. He seems to believe he can pass the buck on it, but I don't think people are going to see it that way - the people in power always get the blame when things go sideways, and this will be no different. Barring a chain of events that leads to the firing of Bob Mueller, this seems like it will be the next inflection point.

 

[civver_764]

Gee metalhead it's almost like you want bad things to happen to people.

 

[Lexicus]

The thing is, nothing bad has really happened as a result of Trump being president yet.

Uh
What?

Lots of bad things have happened. Thousands of people have been deported, for starters.

 

[metalhead]

Gee metalhead it's almost like you want bad things to happen to people.

If that were the case I would have voted for Trump. Bad things happening to people, for no reason other than the fact that the president is an incompetent malignant narcissist, was an utterly predictable outcome of a Trump presidency. I'm rooting for the outcome of Trump's approval ratings sinking lower, because it increases the likelihood that he will be removed from office or at the very least, not re-elected. The bad things which will make them sink lower were already baked into the process of accepting this reality. Rooting for them, or not, is silly. In my book, it already happened.

Uh
What?

Lots of bad things have happened. Thousands of people have been deported, for starters.

To probably 99% of the people who still approve of the job Trump is doing, that is a positive outcome. It also isn't something that really touches their lives.

There are dozens of terrible things that have happened, many of which will have serious long-term negative consequences for all of us. But try explaining any of that to the people who are still aboard the Trump train.

 

[Lexicus]

To probably 99% of the people who still approve of the job Trump is doing, that is a positive outcome. It also isn't something that really touches their lives.

Oh, I didn't realize we were restricting it to the Trump voters themselves. Well, I'm not sure Trump will never do anything bad from their perspective. If they lose health insurance, it will be Obama's fault. If the government shuts down, it was all the black people who wanted entitlements. And so on.

 

[Hrothbern]

Well, I'm not sure Trump will never do anything bad from their perspective. If they lose health insurance, it will be Obama's fault. If the government shuts down, it was all the black people who wanted entitlements. And so on.

yes
Trump is very keen in pre-emptive history writing for his choir

 

[metalhead]

Oh, I didn't realize we were restricting it to the Trump voters themselves. Well, I'm not sure Trump will never do anything bad from their perspective. If they lose health insurance, it will be Obama's fault. If the government shuts down, it was all the black people who wanted entitlements. And so on.

There will always be the Trump partisans, the 20-25% of people who will love Trump and be on his side no matter what he does.

It's the other 15-20% currently reporting that they still approve of the job he is doing whose opinions will be affected once things start affecting them personally. I'm sure there are people out there who supported Trump right up until their trans son or daughter (or niece, nephew, cousin, grandson, etc.) got threatened out of nowhere with being kicked out of the military. And the numbers show plenty of people who will take it personally when bad news comes out regarding the ACA marketplaces, will place the blame with the GOP and/or Trump.

Trump can say that it's all the Democrats' fault, but that doesn't mean most people are going to believe him. The old truism that the party in power bears the responsibility for failures doesn't stop being true just because the Tweeter-in-Chief tries to claim otherwise.

 

[Lexicus]

Trump can say that it's all the Democrats' fault, but that doesn't mean most people are going to believe him.

I may be overestimating the significance of this line but I tend to think that they don't need to be told to blame the Democrats. They voted for Trump because they already hate the Democrats and blame them for everything. In this sense it doesn't matter what Trump says; they voted for him and rather than accept the bruised ego of "I got duped" they will either continue to steadfastly deny reality, or they will simply think "well this is bad but [insert democrat, doesn't matter which] is even worse so what can I do?"

 

[aelf]

My filtration is automatically dealing with the "self professed" part of your description. As in, sure, I see some right wing extremists claiming they are moderates and embracing Trump, but I wouldn't use that as a brush for tarring actual moderates.

These people are right-wing, no doubt about it (although they might deny it - the term they prefer is "independent"), but I wouldn't call some of them extremists.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

If that were the case I would have voted for Trump.

Lol. Destruction of Lybia and its weapons being shipped to Syria for farther destruction there both happening under the secretary of the state Clinton was a good thing for people? I am in awe. Or are you trying to argue that under Clinton less bad things would happen? How do you internaly justify that thinking?

There are dozens of terrible things that have happened, many of which will have serious long-term negative consequences for all of us. But try explaining any of that to the people who are still aboard the Trump train.

Try. I am prepared to be convinced or at least reveal my stupidity if I fail to see your truth.

 

[civver_764]

Illegal immigration is down.
Billions of dollars of industry red tape are gone.
Deficit is down.
Stock market is booming.
Hundreds of thousands of new jobs.

No wonder all you guys wanna talk about is Russia, your entire team is in fight or flight mode.

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