[RD] Trump: The First 100 Days

[Lexicus]

Incidentally, the acting director of the FBI has contradicted that lying woman's claims about FBI agents being happy Comey is gone.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Incidentally, the acting director of the FBI has contradicted that lying woman's claims about FBI agents being happy Comey is gone.

Along with an assortment of correspondents/commentators with things like "Former Deputy Director of the FBI" in front of their names. The current acting director did it under oath and they didn't, but there certainly seems to be a consensus. There is also reporting that if you go to the internal net directory of the FBI that a huge number of profile pictures have been changed, and they all look like James Comey. Word is that active FBI people seem to have little doubt about why Comey was fired, and they are angry. One guy has gone so far as to say that if a new director is appointed that tries to scuttle the investigation you can expect another deep throat situation.

 

[Kyriakos]

^Trump and his imbecilic actions aside, i am surprised how this got to be so prominent, given even if Russia had funded Trump's campaign that isn't at all unprecedented (eg Saudi funding the Clintons). So how did it come to this?
I mean, on Trump, i am tempted to just attribute it to him being a moron and biting so hard on the bait, but why was this foreign funding issue (even if real, which it may be) so paramount?

Foreign countries funding candidates they prefer is not rare at all. It isn't something good, but it happens, and many govs do it. Let alone the US itself, with its not just funding related "influence" on a massive list of elections in all sorts of countries, and having coups when the result still wasn't the one asked for.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

^Trump and his imbecilic actions aside, i am surprised how this got to be so prominent, given even if Russia had funded Trump's campaign that isn't at all unprecedented (eg Saudi funding the Clintons). So how did it come to this?
I mean, on Trump, i am tempted to just attribute it to him being a moron and biting so hard on the bait, but why was this foreign funding issue (even if real, which it may be) so paramount?

Foreign countries funding candidates they prefer is not rare at all. It isn't something good, but it happens, and many govs do it. Let alone the US itself, with its not just funding related "influence" on a massive list of elections in all sorts of countries, and having coups when the result still wasn't the one asked for.

It may not be rare, globally, but it is definitely illegal in the US.

 

[Kyriakos]

It may not be rare, globally, but it is definitely illegal in the US.

But it already happens, no? Saudi, Israel, i suppose other nations too, would have already funded or taken part in funding campaigns of some people running in the US. Eg the issue with Saudi funding of Hillary is publicized, eg the Clinton Foundation.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Trump continued his attacks on Comey on Thursday, telling NBC News: “He’s a showboat, he’s a grandstander, the FBI has been in turmoil.”

You know how they say we always see our own faults in other people?

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

You know how they say we always see our own faults in other people?

Yeah thats a part of a "gut psychology".

 

[Kozmos]

So are lynch mobs.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

So are lynch mobs.

And then you have the opposite of that. Like in the case of foreign politics of the USA which destroyes secular governments to promote radical islamist and supresses will of people to give them democracy.

 

[Kozmos]

Only you could call Syria, a country that is basically a succession of coups, invasion of neighbours and massacres, a democracy with a straight face You couldn't even leave the country without an exit visa. So what in any case? Syria has been working contrary to US interests in the region since the 60s at least. They are reaping what they have sown with their 'gut psychology'.

 

[Cutlass]

But it already happens, no? Saudi, Israel, i suppose other nations too, would have already funded or taken part in funding campaigns of some people running in the US. Eg the issue with Saudi funding of Hillary is publicized, eg the Clinton Foundation.

But that's not a funding of Hillary or her campaign. She got nothing out of it personally. And Russia was more than funding Trump's campaign, they were actively interfering in the election for his benefit. And he's given them payback for it.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Only you could call Syria, a country that is basically a succession of coups, invasion of neighbours and massacres, a democracy with a straight face You couldn't even leave the country without an exit visa. So what in any case? Syria has been working contrary to US interests in the region since the 60s at least. They are reaping what they have sown with their 'gut psychology'.

I gotcha. The so-called leader of the free world is enslaved by its interest...

 

[Kozmos]

If by 'enslaved by its interest' you mean not shooting yourself in the gut with a shotgun, sure.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

If by 'enslaved by its interest' you mean not shooting yourself in the gut with a shotgun, sure.

I think we are little off topic. Let me just note that we both agreed on one thing: reality is usually a bit more complex.

 

[Lexicus]

Only you could call Syria, a country that is basically a succession of coups, invasion of neighbours and massacres, a democracy with a straight face You couldn't even leave the country without an exit visa. So what in any case? Syria has been working contrary to US interests in the region since the 60s at least. They are reaping what they have sown with their 'gut psychology'.

Syria was a democracy before the CIA helped the military overthrow the government, leading to Baathists taking over and the current situation.

 

[Kozmos]

That's because KGB agents were doing the same. Soviets had a more competent intelligence apparatus at that time, for better or worse. It helps when you co-opt the Tsarist service and use your own nation as a live exercise.

 

[Kyriakos]

But that's not a funding of Hillary or her campaign. She got nothing out of it personally. And Russia was more than funding Trump's campaign, they were actively interfering in the election for his benefit. And he's given them payback for it.

I am only referring to the funding part. I can realize how any proven interference in the election (rigging etc) would be illegal, but funding of politicians by foreign entities is obviously not a new thing, and not new in the Us either.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I am only referring to the funding part. I can realize how any proven interference in the election (rigging etc) would be illegal, but funding of politicians by foreign entities is obviously not a new thing, and not new in the Us either.

Which part of they did not contribute to her campaign is too complex for you?

If you work for a foreign government you can't legally run for office. If you worked for a foreign government previously (Paul Manafort) you have to disclose it if you are a candidate or lobbyist. You cannot accept campaign contributions from foreign governments.

 

[Kyriakos]

^I get it Tim, they gave Hillary tons of money, but not for her campaign. I suppose money to the campaign is not money to Hillary, and also money-paying Saudis do it for free and not so as to influence your politicians.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

^I get it Tim, they gave Hillary tons of money, but not for her campaign. I suppose money to the campaign is not money to Hillary, and also money-paying Saudis do it for free and not so as to influence your politicians.

That's what conflict of interest laws are about. When someone runs an international charity they are going to get contributions from international sources. Those contributions are subject to investigation, just like all other contributions. If "contribute to the charity I run and I will do thus and so" can be proven it is a crime.