TT01: Beating Demigod

[DWetzel]

On a largely unrelated note, I think I'll be up after Buce but could probably use a swap, unless you all are willing to wait until the weekend.

 

[Bucephalus]

On a largely unrelated note, I think I'll be up after Buce but could probably use a swap, unless you all are willing to wait until the weekend.

Maybe templar could take it.

 

[templar_x]

i can take the game after you.

that would allow me to play another set before i go on holidays, which would be nice.

coming home very late at nights won´t allow me to play my turns at once, but i should be ready so that the next player can take it on weekend.

 

[DWetzel]

i can take the game after you.

that would allow me to play another set before i go on holidays, which would be nice.

coming home very late at nights won´t allow me to play my turns at once, but i should be ready so that the next player can take it on weekend.

That'd be perfect, let's plan on that then.

I've had exactly one scheduled day off work since July 27, and that was yesterday. Suffice to say I have a lot of housework & laundry to do. Have enough time to chime in with stupid ideas, but not enough to implement them.

 

[templar_x]

@ DWetzel - that´s impressive. may i quote that to my employees? i am always telling them how good the work conditions are here...

 

[DWetzel]

@ DWetzel - that´s impressive. may i quote that to my employees? i am always telling them how good the work conditions are here...

Hehe. Yes, you're welcome to. It's a one month out of the year thing for my company though. I'm a commercial real estate agent by trade. Among other things, our company does property management of roughly 900 apartment units in about 50 different buildings in a university town. All the leases (except for those people renewing, of course) expire in early August. We then have roughly two weeks to get the apartments ready for the new tenants to move into two weeks later. This year, that meant approximately 550 apartments needed to be checked, cleaned, re-checked, maintenance done, etc. Mine is actually a very small role in this--it's simply making sure that all of the aforementioned people have keys that get them into the apartments so they can do their jobs. Unfortunately, that's a bigger role than it sounds, for a number of reasons.

Happily, the kiddies are moved in now, and that aspect of my job is waning... so now I get to play catchup with the approximately 45 voice mails and countless emails (I actually managed to stay semi-caught up on those--thank you Blackberry) from clients looking to lease/buy various spaces.

I'm very much looking forward to sleeping a lot this weekend.

 

[Bucephalus]

@ DWetzel - that´s impressive. may i quote that to my employees? i am always telling them how good the work conditions are here...

Yeah, right....... how many of them get to surf the net all day, like the boss?

 

[templar_x]

@ DWetzel - ok, i´ll skip the part of the story that this takes place only once a month

@ Buce - i believe they do so without my permission. the difference is, in my case it is my money rinsed down the sink, in theirs it´s... again MY money... so the difference is no difference, understand?

i notice you have the time to be really funny here, mate, but where´s that save, eh?

 

[Bucephalus]

i notice you have the time to be really funny here, mate, but where´s that save, eh?

Typical Gaffer - always wanting a little bit more for your money....

I doubt if I'll get to play any more tonight - my boss (me) says I have to work - but I'll ask for time off tomorrow.

Here's the save:

 

[templar_x]

yes, do so please.

Typical Gaffer - always wanting a little bit more for your money....
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right, just like those guys in Leiden - they want happiness, but their city name doesn´t allow them to get it (note: "leiden" means "to suffer") - thus they revolt in despair



can you tell me how in the world Ragnar managed to get 3 of his citizens into Holwerd? did he join workers in there or what?
good news is that the Vikes may lose their only iron with Oslo. with no muskets and no pikes available... Ragnar will have to build spears!
Buce, how do you know that settler is safe so alone on that gems grass? a SM from New Zwolle could give him some company...

 

[ThinkTank]

Guys I must apologize for being absent from this but RL has been taking a form over the last couple of weeks that completely drains my energy. To the extent that it leaves nothing for civ. That may change but not soon. I'm sorry about that since I like this game and CFC in general but that's just what it is right now. So that would be a resignation I'm afraid. But I'll be back for sure.

In the meantime, I trust that you will bring this one home!

 

[TheOverseer714]

RL can be a real killer sometimes. I think we all understand. Just don't let it drain you too much, or your physical health will suffer as badly as your mental health. You take care of yourself, we will take care of this.

 

[DWetzel]

Mini suggestions:

At Perseopolis, can move a Swiss Merc (or two?) and the remaining trebs there onto the hill next to Leerdam and bomb the 'zerk down to 1 hp. I think it's worth the shot.

At Sardis, you can grab another scientist there--the settler will come before the city starves. Not sure how immediately helpful it'd be, but just a thought. You can put a geek back to work at Haarlem--not immediately helpful, but more growth there will eventually be beaker-friendly to us.

I'm not sure I agree with turning Maastricht into a science farm at this point--it's sufficiently uncorrupt that it could be putting out 6 spt if the scientists were put back to work on the deserts, while growing. I feel the same though slightly less strongly about Groningen, which could be spitting out 5 spt. I don't think we need to kick out units from those, but libraries and/or markets could be useful. At any rate I note that right now, putting all those scientists back to work won't cost us any turns on Physics, though I concede we won't be able to lower the slider as far on the last turn.

Really, unless there's some substantial Viking forces I don't see, I can see no reason not to press on to Trondheim and Oslo. Six maces, two crusaders, and two armies should do a decent bit of work on it, though I do concede it's a few turns getting there. I might even be inclined to send in the First Mace Army over there too, and let the cavs and cannons take care of Oslo. Looks like the cannons can fire on Oslo in 4 turns, and with sufficient escort (read: a few Swiss Mercs), that seems sensible. Let the cavs do cleanup duty on the advancing muskets and 'zerks, then catch up and burn the joint down.

If we are running high tax rates, I'd really really like to see us get a few more markets up. That would have the pleasant side effect of taking care of the happiness problems we seem to be having near our core due to lack of MPs. I know we haven't been able to do it to this point, but if we have enough units to finish our mission of destroying Trondheim and Oslo (and I'd add removing the pimples that are Aarhus and Alesund from our neck of the woods), I think we should switch a few builds over to infrastructure soon.

 

[DWetzel]

Guys I must apologize for being absent from this but RL has been taking a form over the last couple of weeks that completely drains my energy. To the extent that it leaves nothing for civ. That may change but not soon. I'm sorry about that since I like this game and CFC in general but that's just what it is right now. So that would be a resignation I'm afraid. But I'll be back for sure.

In the meantime, I trust that you will bring this one home!

Best of luck in conquering real life, TT. We'll hopefully look forward to having you back in time for TT02.

 

[Bucephalus]

right, just like those guys in Leiden - they want happiness, but their city name doesn´t allow them to get it (note: "leiden" means "to suffer") - thus they revolt in despair

If you read the turnlog, you'll see that I lowered the slider the previous turn; having compensated for that, I then sent a Cav somewhere else, losing an MP. I'm at war - a couple of rioting town once in a while is inevitable, I'm afraid.

can you tell me how in the world Ragnar managed to get 3 of his citizens into Holwerd? did he join workers in there or what?

IIRC, we lost Holwerd to a flip quite a while back.

good news is that the Vikes may lose their only iron with Oslo. with no muskets and no pikes available... Ragnar will have to build spears!

I believe he has a source on his island

Buce, how do you know that settler is safe so alone on that gems grass? a SM from New Zwolle could give him some company...

I don't have the save open, so I cannot answer that; if he's fortified, I haven't finished with him yet - I commonly fortify civilian personnel until the end of the turn because the computer keeps going back to them when I want to use military units. It's irritating and confusing.

At Perseopolis, can move a Swiss Merc (or two?) and the remaining trebs there onto the hill next to Leerdam and bomb the 'zerk down to 1 hp. I think it's worth the shot.

Possibly, I'll take a look.

At Sardis, you can grab another scientist there--the settler will come before the city starves. Not sure how immediately helpful it'd be, but just a thought. You can put a geek back to work at Haarlem--not immediately helpful, but more growth there will eventually be beaker-friendly to us.

I'm not sure I agree with turning Maastricht into a science farm at this point--it's sufficiently uncorrupt that it could be putting out 6 spt if the scientists were put back to work on the deserts, while growing. I feel the same though slightly less strongly about Groningen, which could be spitting out 5 spt. I don't think we need to kick out units from those, but libraries and/or markets could be useful. At any rate I note that right now, putting all those scientists back to work won't cost us any turns on Physics, though I concede we won't be able to lower the slider as far on the last turn.

There may be an overrun now, but previously it took every beaker to get the slider down; if you read the log, I inherited Physics in 27, With mm I brought it down to 12 - it is now due in 5, five turns later. Two turns off is a good trade off, IMO.

Really, unless there's some substantial Viking forces I don't see, I can see no reason not to press on to Trondheim and Oslo. Six maces, two crusaders, and two armies should do a decent bit of work on it, though I do concede it's a few turns getting there. I might even be inclined to send in the First Mace Army over there too, and let the cavs and cannons take care of Oslo. Looks like the cannons can fire on Oslo in 4 turns, and with sufficient escort (read: a few Swiss Mercs), that seems sensible. Let the cavs do cleanup duty on the advancing muskets and 'zerks, then catch up and burn the joint down.

Did Overseer's turns tell you nothing? Fortified Muskets in cities take some dislodging, and there will be plenty in Trondheim; and I upgraded those Cats for a purpose. I will not risk losing Armies unnecessarily for the sake of a couple of turns.

If we are running high tax rates, I'd really really like to see us get a few more markets up. That would have the pleasant side effect of taking care of the happiness problems we seem to be having near our core due to lack of MPs. I know we haven't been able to do it to this point, but if we have enough units to finish our mission of destroying Trondheim and Oslo (and I'd add removing the pimples that are Aarhus and Alesund from our neck of the woods), I think we should switch a few builds over to infrastructure soon.

That is sensible - let's clear any threat from Ragnor first, though.

@TT.

Good to hear from you, mate; sorry you've got to drop out, but fear not - you'll have a DG win on your CV. That's a promise.

 

[templar_x]

@ TT - good to see you´re still alive good luck with any challange life might bring up against you!
i really hope my first SG won´t be your last, i´d be happy if we´d go together again some time. i´ll let you know how i found Leonard when i saw the concert.

@ Buce - i sure didn´t mean to blame you for the riot. just thought i HAD TO utter something after i had demanded the file to be honest, i had expected the final file, because i didn´t realize you weren´t done yet...

thanks for teaching me over Holwerd. i had really forgotten and was amazed when i screened the file. that´s the explanation of course

 

[Bucephalus]

@ Buce - i sure didn´t mean to blame you for the riot. just thought i HAD TO utter something after i had demanded the file to be honest, i had expected the final file, because i didn´t realize you weren´t done yet...

No worries, mate. Multi-tasking is not one of my greatest attributes, and I put so much focus into war-turns that I sometimes miss things like that.

I'm actually struggling for time atm; all joking aside, I've got a client demanding more of my time than I'd like to be giving him. Trouble is, his business pays a lot of bills......

Maybe it would work better if you picked it up here, especially since you are going to be away soon - I doubt if I can complete it before Thursday.

 

[DWetzel]

Hmm, on further reflection you may be right about my invasion plan. The more cautious course would be to gather at one point and destroy it.

Can our southern armies reach Oslo in 4 turns? Don't have save handy but I think they could. May be best to have everyone meet up there except the mace and crusader contingent, which can play a little defense or something. Maybe south to alesund?

Don't take my pointing out the geek situation as a major criticism. Just doing my cursory start of turn MM check and noted the overrun in CA2. I do think it is a long term mistake to not use maastricht and Groningen as productive towns though. If nothing else out them in a settler factory mode...but I think that libraries and markets would be useful there. If I remember right they are only about 30 percent corrupt right now.

 

[Bucephalus]

Hmm, on further reflection you may be right about my invasion plan. The more cautious course would be to gather at one point and destroy it

Can our southern armies reach Oslo in 4 turns? Don't have save handy but I think they could. May be best to have everyone meet up there except the mace and crusader contingent, which can play a little defense or something. Maybe south to alesund?.

Yes, I do believe that merging the troops into one stack is the way to go. I'm not saying it wouldn't work your way, just that it lowers the percentages for no good reason. We have no need for blitzkrieg warfare here; overwheming force will serve us just fine.

Don't take my pointing out the geek situation as a major criticism. Just doing my cursory start of turn MM check and noted the overrun in CA2. I do think it is a long term mistake to not use maastricht and Groningen as productive towns though. If nothing else out them in a settler factory mode...but I think that libraries and markets would be useful there. If I remember right they are only about 30 percent corrupt right now.

No problem at all; you and anyone else are welcome to criticise or disagree with me at any time - the cut and thrust of debate is how I learned much of what I know about this game. I only ask that you be prepared to justify your position.

I am sure that you are right that we need to look at some very different builds in the near future; I inherited a difficult situation that required some fairly urgent military builds.

 

[DWetzel]

No disagreement with that, and I'm even okay with completing the current round of builds (until those snooping Viking units are eradicated). We really haven't had much of a breather militarily since we started the Persia campaign. Hopefully we can come up for air soon.