TT01: Beating Demigod

[DWetzel]

Quick answer: I don't see why not. I don't see what Chemistry gets them that we can't beat out of them later.

 

[TheOverseer714]

France will gie us their WM, Economics, Music Theory, and 14 gpt for Metallurgy. I'm not inclined to do this one, but it might have benefits.

 

[DWetzel]

France will gie us their WM, Economics, Music Theory, and 14 gpt for Metallurgy. I'm not inclined to do this one, but it might have benefits.

I'd say no to that one, we don't need those and why let Metallurgy out.

 

[Bucephalus]

Quick question: the Vikings will trade Banking for Chemistry, does that seem like a good idea?

Not to me, it doesn't; we have no immediate need for Banking, and we can beat it out of them when we have.

France will gie us their WM, Economics, Music Theory, and 14 gpt for Metallurgy. I'm not inclined to do this one, but it might have benefits.

Absolutely not - we get a bunch of useless optionals for a much sought after monopoly.

 

[templar_x]

no to both deals from my side, too. vikes are going to offer us banking with a free side dish when we will have beaten the bad out of them. the optionals are of absolutely no use for us - not for free and sure not for metallurgy.

 

[DWetzel]

Hmm, I'm semi-convinced. The only thought I have is that taking the Banking deal might put Vikes closer to something else we can beat out of them, or allow us to beat a city out of them more easily (where we may run into a situation soon where the choice is a tech or a city, if we already have the tech...)

OK, I change my opinion to "no strong opinion". I don't think it's a serious mistake to do that deal though.

The one with France would be silly, though.

 

[Bucephalus]

Any progress, Overseer?

 

[TheOverseer714]

I am 2 turns from finishing. I can probably get it done sometime this afternoon. Sorry I've been slow, I'm just so not wanting to screw this up. Good news, we have MT and I am upgrading our Knights to something that will do better vs Muskets. I think in about 4 turns we can get all veteran knights upgraded. A question... would upgrading our Catapults and Trebuchets to Cannons be a good idea right now, or can we take the Vikings with what we have?

 

[Bucephalus]

lt would probably be better to prioritize upgrading Knights if you have to make a choice, but you're in the chair - do what you feel is best.

 

[TheOverseer714]

I guess upgrading the knights will go fast, as 30 gold per upgrade is a reasonable amount, (we already have 7 Cavalry ready to go) and if we aren't in a hurry for Physics, everything else can be upgraded within 4 or 5 turns. I'm thinking that the Vikings might be getting frisky very soon, as they made peace with the Iroquois and the Inca, so we need to be ready for them.

 

[Bucephalus]

Ask not for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for Ragnor.

 

[DWetzel]

Ask not for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for Ragnor.

And you're just the man to ring it.

I'd say yes to cannon upgrades, if we have the cash handy and the time to do it. I would even put off a couple turns of research for it.

If we have MT, should we be getting the Military Academy built, or are we going to rely on lucking into yet another leader?

 

[Bucephalus]

If we have MT, should we be getting the Military Academy built, or are we going to rely on lucking into yet another leader?

I'm hoping that we have a pre-build going.

 

[DWetzel]

I'm hoping that we have a pre-build going.

Me too, but I'm not optimistic as we didn't discuss it much.

 

[Bucephalus]

I don't suppose it's the end of the world if there is no pre-build; we can build it from scratch in twenty turns or so, and we won't need it until we attack the beta contnent, which we cannot do until we have Galleons.

 

[TheOverseer714]

There was a pre-build perking along, both for the Military Academy and the Pentagon. Both will finish towards the end of the next turn-set. I will try to upgrade the Trebuchets first, the next player can do the rest or not, depending on how bad we want them.

 

[DWetzel]

There was a pre-build perking along, both for the Military Academy and the Pentagon. Both will finish towards the end of the next turn-set. I will try to upgrade the Trebuchets first, the next player can do the rest or not, depending on how bad we want them.

Good man.

 

[templar_x]

i am pretty sure i had started prebuilds for even both MT small wonders in my turns... but it´s been quite a while since i have played them. therefore, i am already very eager to see the progress made in the next turns.

 

[TheOverseer714]

Progress and something for Buce to do: Fight a war: The Vikings sneak attacked. We have lost one town and another may fall next IBT. After some initial success defending by attacking their attackers, I tried attacking a town. Big mistake. Even cavalry are stumbling on fortified regular muskets. This is going to take some patience and artillery to win. Fortunately, Buce is better at that than I am. Guys, please forgve my suckiness, I know I'm the weakest player here. Good luck, Buce. Here is the turn-log:

Spoiler :

Pre-Flight: CivAssist 2, Word running. Open the save, look things over.
I can get Astronomy, 200 gold and 3 gpt from France for Chemistry. I do the deal.
Upgrade Inigo Montoya for 30 gold.

Civilian units:
Settlers 10
Workers 9
Military units:
Warriors 5
Archers 2
Swords 7
Knights 17
Swiss Mercs 25
MDIs 19
Armies 3, 1 Sword, 2 MDI
Catapults 17, 2 captured
Trebuchets 5, 1 captured
Crusaders 2

Ships:
Galleys 4

Unit stats
Total units 77
Units Allowed 52
Unit support 25 gpt.

Press enter=>

IBT: Plenty of Viking troops pass toward the Northwest, If I can I will try to block off some of their military.
Maastricht Settler=>Settler.
New Utrecht Worker=>Worker.
Breda SM=>SM.
Den Helder SM=>SM.

Turn 1, 460 AD: Founded New Delft, New Haarlem, and New Holwerd on the Mainland, New Middleburg on the Island. Rush a settler at Hilversum for 116 gold, the replacement will be settled next turn. Move the settler near Oporto to the hill, why waste a plains tile for a farm?

IBT: Damn, I wish I had blocked the Northwest Passage while I could, more Vikings passing through.
Lisbon Worker=>Worker.
Amsterdam Knight =>Knight.
Pasargadae Library=>Courthouse, Crusader from KT.
Hilversum Settler-abandoned.
Lauwersoog Knight =>Knight.
Sidon Settler=>Settler.
Groningen Settler=>Settler.
Delftt MDI=>MDI.

Turn 2, 470 AD: New Breda settled on hill near Oporto=>Trebuchet.
Hilversum settled on Island south of Evora=>Trebuchet.
Lower tech slider to 60%., Metallurgy in 1 at +98 gpt.

IBT: Vikings capture Grand River.
Inca offer peace straight up, we could get Music Theory for Invention. I decline.
Metallurgy arrives, next is Military Tradition in 5 turns at -8gpt.
Lauwersoog riots, missed that one.
Breda SM=>SM.

Turn 3, 480 AD: Park a knight at Lauwersoog.
New Leiden settled near Grand River=>Walls.
New Den Helder and New Harlingen settled SE of Pasargadae=>Cannon.

IBT: Vikings offer an RoP and an alliance vs the Iroquois…not likely. While talking, I found they will give Banking for Chemistry even up.
Vikings move toward Centralia.
New Amsterdam Worker=>Worker.
Delft MDI=>MDI.
Arnhem and Middleburg riot, I need to watch better.
New Rotterdam Worker=>Worker.
Den Helder SM=>SM.
France begins Magellan’s.

Turn 4, 490 AD: Continue moving troops north and at borders.

IBT: The Hague riots, CivAssist 2 not catching some.
Utrecht Knight =>Knight.
Haarlem Aqueduct=>Library.
New Utrecht Worker=>Worker.
Breda SM=>SM.

Turn 5, 500 AD: More troop moves. Block the northwest passage.
New Lauwersoog founded on island=>Cannon.

IBT: Vikings take Centralia.
Amsterdam Knight=>Knight.
Pasargadae Courthouse=>University.
Rotterdam Knight=>Knight.
Eindhoven Settler=>Settler.
Delfft MDI=>MDI.
Maastricht Settler=>Settler.
Leiden Library=>University.

Turn 6, 510 AD: Do everything I can to get ready for the end of our GA.

IBT: Inca and Vikings make peace.
Our GA is over.
Utrecht, Arnhem and the Hague riot due to loss of GA cash.
New Eindhoven Worker=>Worker.
New Arnhem Worker=>Worker.
Middleburg Caravel=> Caravel.
Groningen Settler=>Settler.

Turn 7, 520 AD: Hire geeks and even one clown to fix riots.
Move a few knights to prepare to upgrade.

IBT: French finish Leonardo’s.
Military Tradition finishes researching, next is Physics in 21 at +199 gpt 10% tech slider (raising cash to upgrade Knights).
Get the Military Academy notice.
Lisbon Worker=>Worker.
Pasargadae riots, I keep losing my CA2 alerts.
New Amsterdam Worker=>Worker.
Breda SM=>SM.
Den Helder SM=>SM.
Tilburg Settler=>Settler.
New Maastricht Walls=>Cannon.

Turn 8, 530 AD: Upgrade 7 Knights to Cavalry.
Switch the Hague to Military Academy.
Switch the SM builds to Cavalry, I think 32 is plenty.

IBT: Vikings make peace with Iroquois.
Dariush Kabir Worker=>Worker.
Zwolle Settler=>Settler.
Harlingen Settler=>Settler.

Turn 9, 540 AD: Upgrade 2 more Knights and 2 Trebuchets in the south, that’s the last of the veteran Knights there, except on the Island.
I will move them next turn.
Rush a Barracks at Dordrecht to get the northern veterans upgraded.
Position 2 Settlers on the Island to settle next turn.

IBT: I was right, the Vikings DoW us.
We lose undefended Chondote, our Gem mountain is taken after a valiant fight, 6 slaves, 2 trebuchets.
Dordrecht Barracks=>
Lauwersoog Cavalry=> Cavalry.
New Utrecht Worker=>Worker.

Turn 10, 550 AD: Upgrade 6 Knights up north.
New Tilurg and New Enschede founded on Island=>Cannon.
First counter attack at New Maastricht:
vMDI>rMusket,-1hp, MDI promotes.
vMDI>eBerserk,-2hp.
vMDI>vBerserk,-2hp.
vKnight> vBerserk,-2hp.
eKnight> vBerserk,-4hp.
At Zwolle vMDI<eBerserk, leaving 1 defender vs 1 healthy rBerserk, 2 wounded. This time attack doesn’t work.
Near Holwerd: vMDI>rBerserk,-1hp, promotes.
Battle of Holwerd: vCav retreats vs vMusket, chipping away 2 hp.
vCav retreats vs rMusket, no damage.
vCav>rMusket,-1hp.
vCav<2hp vMusket, who promotes, I am getting upset, our Cavalry is doing horribly, it’s time to move in bombardment units. Next better play, please!

Cities: 24
Amsterdam: Size 12, growth stalled, Cavalry in 4 turns.
Rotterdam: Size 11, growth stalled, Cavalry in 2 turns.
The Hague: Size 11, growth in 5, Military Academy in 8 turns.
Utrecht: Size 10, growth in 17, Cavalry in 6 turns.
Groningen: Size 7, growth in 3, Settler in 8 turns.
Eindhoven: Size 5, growth in 3, Settler in 11 turns.
Arnhem: Size 10, growth in 15, Pentagon in 10 turns.
Haarlem: Size 7, growth in 26, Library in 34 turns.
Too many other to list and keep track of.

Civilian units:
Settlers 7
Workers 19
Slaves 55

Military units:
Warriors 5
Archers 2
Swords 5
Knights 8
Cavalry 15
Swiss Mercs 31
MDIs 22
Crusaders 4
Armies 3, 1 Sword, 2 MDI
Catapults 14
Trebuchets 5
Cannons 2, captured.

Ships:
Galley 3
Caravel 1

Unit stats
Total units 148
Units Allowed 143
Unit support 0 gpt.

Contacts: 7
Persia-Gone
Vikings-War
Portugal-Gone
Iroquois-Peace
France-Peace
America-Peace
Inca-War

Research
Physics, 20 turns at +203 gpt

Sliders
80%/10%/10%

The save:

 

[Bucephalus]

Don't fret, Overseer, you played it well enough for my taste, and a bit of War-Happiness never hurt anyone.

I'm a bit surprised that a resource city was left undefended, though. Edit: Apologies, I mis-read that - I see now that Chondote is a crappy little island town.

taking a look now.....