Use of Chemical Weapons in Syria

[JoeM]

It's a canny political move, but a gamble on Syrian civilians that I couldn't justify. Not the same as the UK because the US hold all the cards anyway.

I'm hoping against all reason that they have some insider knowledge of the UN response that mitigates the risk that nothing will be done...

 

[Gucumatz]

So if the US now backs out too, which seems more likely now - will France act alone? Mali part 2.0 for Hollande?

 

[ReindeerThistle]

So if the US now backs out too, which seems more likely now - will France act alone? Mali part 2.0 for Hollande?

There is no uranium in Syria. Doubt France will risk action.

The US can hire Russia to do the attack -- like they hire them to get people in space.

See Joseph Heller's Catch-22.

Sent via mobile.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Going to be tough to be a Republican on this vote - support Obama or be one of those soft doves.

Republicans Start Impeachment because Obama is a Muslim appeaser chamberlain and also Hitler !

 

[FriendlyFire]

Sarah Palin: ‘Let Allah sort it out’

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is condemning potential American military action in Syria, charging it would be President Obama “saving political face” and saying, “Let Allah sort it out.”

“So we’re bombing Syria because Syria is bombing Syria? And I’m the idiot?” Palin wrote in a Facebook message to her followers on Friday, before the president said Saturday that he would seek Congressional approval.

“Bottom line is that this is about President Obama saving political face because of his ‘red line’ promise regarding chemical weapons,” she added. At the top of the Facebook post, Palin wrote: “LET ALLAH SORT IT OUT.”

Palin criticized Obama’s plan to bomb Syria in response to chemical weapons attacks, questioning whether a U.S. bombing would help civilians in the war-torn country.

“President Obama wants to do what, exactly? Punish evil acts in the form of a telegraphed air strike on Syria to serve as a deterrent? If our invasion of Iraq wasn’t enough of a deterrent to stop evil men from using chemical weapons on their own people, why do we think this will be?” Palin wrote.

The 2008 GOP vice presidential candidate was also critical of the suggestion that military action in Syria is necessary for U.S. national security.

“We have no clear mission in Syria,” she wrote. “There’s no explanation of what vital American interests are at stake there today amidst yet another centuries-old internal struggle between violent radical Islamists and a murderous dictatorial regime, and we have no business getting involved anywhere without one.”

Obama announced in a Saturday address at the White House that the Unites States is prepared to and “should” take action in Syria in response to the regime’s use of chemical weapons, though he said he will seek Congressional approval for any action.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/sarah-palin-let-allah-sort-it-out-96128.html#ixzz2dhHVCrf3

Sarah Palin: Iraq War 'God's Will'

Sometimes you need to ask for a little help from the man upstairs, and sometimes you simply follow His clearly laid out plan:

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will."

Like President Bush, Palin employs the holy spirit to justify her policy positions. If it's something you want, like an oil pipeline, you pray He'll help you get it built. If it's a badly mismanaged war (McCain's words) then it's all part of God's plan, be patient.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2008/09/02/sarah-palin-iraq-war-gods-plan/

USA#1
Republicans ..... Finally against the Iraq war.

 

[innonimatu]

If there is no intervention, how long will this civil war go? It has all the makings of a near endless civil war in Syria.

Libya may be a hellhole now, but mark my words - 10 years from now it will surpass the living standards and general quality of life than it ever reached under Gadhafi

The civil war in Syria wouldn't have lasted two months without foreign intervention, supplying both weapons and fighters to the rebel sides. If it even started at all. The civil war in Libya would have been finished even quicker without foreign intervention.

Usually taking advantage of a country involves installing a puppet regime. Did the US do that (successfully)? Nope. Iraq belongs to the Iranians now. And Afghanistan and Libya are hellholes.

"Taking advantage" of a country can involve things as simple and rational as denying that country as a useful ally to adversaries by wrecking it. Or weakening the government of that country so that it is vulnerable to pressure from the guys carrying the biggest stick. Internationally that country is, no contest, the US.

You're a very silly man.

I'm so hurt by that. You've completely demolished my argument about Libya, didn't you?

 

[Commodore]

Update



http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...a-will-not-be-about-imminent-military-action/

Discussion

Obama ought to do the right thing regardless of congress. He better be damned sure that congress will approve this, otherwise he's just sentenced thousands to hundreds of thousands of Syrians, and potentially others as well due to the precedent, to a gruesome death.

It will be a sad day for humanity if we have a repeat of what happened in the UK.

Of course...if you assume military intervention is the "right thing". Which of course it is not the right thing. It will be a sad day for humanity if our leaders elect to send our sons and daughters to die in a fight we have no business fighting.

It may sound heartless to you, but the simple fact of life is that you take care of yourself first and then help others. You know, kind of like on an airplane when they say in an emergency to put your oxygen mask on first then assist others with theirs.

 

[Rashiminos]

Going to be tough to be a Republican on this vote - support Obama or be one of those soft doves.

And potentially a sympathizer to Russo-Turkish interests...

http://rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/

Turkey finds sarin gas in homes of suspected Syrian Islamists – reports

Published time: May 30, 2013 16:56
Edited time: May 31, 2013 12:02

Turkish security forces found a 2kg cylinder with sarin gas after searching the homes of Syrian militants from the Al-Qaeda linked Al-Nusra Front who were previously detained, Turkish media reports. The gas was reportedly going to be used in a bomb.

The sarin gas was found in the homes of suspected Syrian Islamists detained in the southern provinces of Adana and Mersia following a search by Turkish police on Wednesday, reports say. The gas was allegedly going to be used to carry out an attack in the southern Turkish city of Adana.

...

 

[r16]

there is no Mersia in Turkey , though the rest must be generally correct .

 

[Rashiminos]

there is no Mersia in Turkey , though the rest must be generally correct .

They might have meant Mersin, but then again...

 

[Kyriakos]

Turkey is the new USA, being attacked due to its will to defend Democracy and Freedom

 

[Tahuti]

The civil war in Syria wouldn't have lasted two months without foreign intervention, supplying both weapons and fighters to the rebel sides. If it even started at all. The civil war in Libya would have been finished even quicker without foreign intervention.

The reality is - no matter the bias in favor or against it - that intervention or lack of it does not necessarily mean there are predetermined effects in terms of duration. Intervention can shorten wars by decisively supporting one side to victory, but can also extend them by provoking regional opponents to do the same.

 

[Lord Baal]

The reality is - no matter the bias in favor or against it - that intervention or lack of it does not necessarily mean there are predetermined effects in terms of duration. Intervention can shorten wars by decisively supporting one side to victory, but can also extend them by provoking regional opponents to do the same.

Or the intervention can take place with the desired result being simply to prolong the conflict and thus weaken both sides; the French intervention in the Thirty Years War is a decent example of this, though obviously there were other factors at play.

 

[JoeM]

USA#1
Republicans ..... Finally against the Iraq war.

Does Sarah Palin think she's a Christian?

 

[DemonicAppleGuY]

Of course...if you assume military intervention is the "right thing". Which of course it is not the right thing. It will be a sad day for humanity if our leaders elect to send our sons and daughters to die in a fight we have no business fighting.

The likelihood of boots on the ground is ridiculously low.

 

[Defiant47]

Of course...if you assume military intervention is the "right thing". Which of course it is not the right thing. It will be a sad day for humanity if our leaders elect to send our sons and daughters to die in a fight we have no business fighting.

That is the assumption, yes. If it is indeed the right thing, then it will be a sad day for humanity if our leaders elect to allow countless Syrian lives to be lost through inaction since a handful of American citizens are supposedly more important, their lives more valuable.

It may sound heartless to you, but the simple fact of life is that you take care of yourself first and then help others. You know, kind of like on an airplane when they say in an emergency to put your oxygen mask on first then assist others with theirs.

The simple fact of life is also that might makes right. The strongest lion in the pride gets the women and the meat. That doesn't make it right.

 

[Borachio]

Turkey finds sarin gas in homes of suspected Syrian Islamists – reports

Published time: May 30, 2013 16:56
Edited time: May 31, 2013 12:02

Turkish security forces found a 2kg cylinder with sarin gas after searching the homes of Syrian militants from the Al-Qaeda linked Al-Nusra Front who were previously detained, Turkish media reports. The gas was reportedly going to be used in a bomb.

The sarin gas was found in the homes of suspected Syrian Islamists detained in the southern provinces of Adana and Mersia following a search by Turkish police on Wednesday, reports say. The gas was allegedly going to be used to carry out an attack in the southern Turkish city of Adana.

Now, that's a very interesting quote, Rashiminos.

So, it's quite possible that the latest sarin attack in Syria was carried out by the opposition to Assad?

(It is, of course, possible that it wasn't.)

 

[Defiant47]

Now, that's a very interesting quote, Rashiminos.

So, it's quite possible that the latest sarin attack in Syria was carried out by the opposition to Assad?

It's possible for the opposition to carry out a sarin attack. Based on the available intel, coordination, and missile launches, not the August 21st sarin attack.

 

[Rashiminos]

The likelihood of boots on the ground is ridiculously low.

Define "boots on the ground."

 

[Bowsling]