Wake up

[Core Imposter]

Before the U.S.-led invasion in 2003 there were about 1.4 million Christians in Iraq, a Muslim-dominated nation of nearly 30 million. Since then, about 50% of Iraq's Christians have fled the country, taking refuge in neighboring Jordan, Syria, Europe and the USA, according to the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC).

and also:

Leonard Leo, chairman of the commission, said even if the administration doesn't impose sanctions it has the leverage to push the Iraqi government to do a better job protecting minority rights.

"The big problem in Iraq is that there is a climate of impunity," Leo said in an interview. "We provide an enormous amount of aid and that can be used to push the Iraqis to calibrate and bolster some of the policies to protect Christians and other minorities."

The State Department said in a statement that embassy officials have pressed Iraqi lawmakers to address the plight of Christians. They also have encouraged the Iraqi government to recruit Christians to join the army and police force. But the State Department says it does not believe Iraq meets the criteria to be designated as a country of particular concern.

In a wide-ranging interview with USA TODAY in March, Ambassador Christopher Hill said the targeting of Christians by militants in Iraq was alarming. "It is, of course, worrying, but ultimately it's an issue that the government of Iraq has to resolve," Hill said.


In America we are just shuffling along. Shuffle, mumble, shuffle. Power is lost to 660 million souls. Mumble, shuffle. In Iran a general says that Israel is small but we are big so just one bomb can wipe them off the map. Shuffling feet, mumbling lips.

Churchill peers out the window of a heavenly tower and whispers, not again. Not again. Shumble muffle.

I stand on the village edge, looking outward and cry wolf.

In the village center, the wolves stir. Feeding time nears.

 

[Mad Man]

Is there a discussion in here somewhere?

 

[History_Buff]

In America we are just shuffling along. Shuffle, mumble, shuffle. Power is lost to 660 million souls. Mumble, shuffle. In Iran a general says that Israel is small but we are big so just one bomb can wipe them off the map. Shuffling feet, mumbling lips.

Link to video.

Is there a discussion in here somewhere?

Not really, no.

 

[Core Imposter]

There should be. Thats the point.

Islamists in control of a town in northern Mali stoned a couple to death after accusing them of having children outside of marriage, a local official who was one of several hundred witnesses to the killings said Monday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/31/world/africa/couple-stoned-to-death-by-islamists-in-mali.html?_r=1

 

[Mad Man]

soooooo Islam is evil?

 

[Formaldehyde]

So your point is that Iraq was far more advanced and civilized under Hussein with far less sectarian violence than there is now? That isn't news, much less a revelation. Just ask about any Iraqi.

 

[red_elk]

The tree of liberty must be refreshed with blood.

 

[Flying Pig]

In America we are just shuffling along. Shuffle, mumble, shuffle. Power is lost to 660 million souls. Mumble, shuffle. In Iran a general says that Israel is small but we are big so just one bomb can wipe them off the map. Shuffling feet, mumbling lips.

Churchill peers out the window of a heavenly tower and whispers, not again. Not again. Shumble muffle.

I stand on the village edge, looking outward and cry wolf.

In the village center, the wolves stir. Feeding time nears.

Damn it, I have Ulysses on my desk, just put it down and I read this!

 

[r16]

and isn't the American Right kinda responsible for that , even the American Left ? ı can understand invading countries , killing people for the greater good , whatever . But exactly what's the American interest in starting up religious ops against deficient secular or even religious authorities ? Are the religious folks in rural America silently hoping a billion and a half Muslims will agree to convert if they see the very worst in action for a while ?

 

[Traitorfish]

Churchill peers out the window of a heavenly tower and whispers, not again. Not again.

Because if there's one man who knows something about freedom, it's a vocal supporter of fascism.

 

[Flying Pig]

To be fair to the poor man, he was supporting it before anyone really knew the really darker side of it - you can hardly equate 'Churchill praised fascism' (and bear in mind that he was looking over the Channel and seeing fascism pull Germany and Italy up by the bootstraps in spectacular fashion, as well as observing that it was Better Than Communism; it was pretty standard for upper-middle-class Englishmen to admire Hitler and Mussolini before it All Kicked Off) with 'Churchill was a freedom-hating Nazi' - when it came down to it, he was obviously a democrat.

 

[r16]

actually today my country is invaded by an ally of the US ; under the guise of seperatists people are teaching manners to Turkey by standing their ground in the fighting around Şemdinli . No news of Article 5 from NATO . Hopefully after the FM kisses both feet of Barzani today , a relief will be in sight ... ı can understand that religious differences can be self supporting in weakening potential adversaries , they can live on a thousand years without any more expenditure on part of the responsible parties , but just tell me what did this Turkish Goverment do to America ?

 

[Traitorfish]

To be fair to the poor man, he was supporting it before anyone really knew the really darker side of it - you can hardly equate 'Churchill praised fascism' (and bear in mind that he was looking over the Channel and seeing fascism pull Germany and Italy up by the bootstraps in spectacular fashion, as well as observing that it was Better Than Communism; it was pretty standard for upper-middle-class Englishmen to admire Hitler and Mussolini before it All Kicked Off) with 'Churchill was a freedom-hating Nazi' - when it came down to it, he was obviously a democrat.

You'll be referring to his steadfast support for decolonisation movements, I assume?

 

[Flying Pig]

Well, again, he was an upper-class Englishman who had cut his teeth with Kitchener's cavalry at Omdurman. He was hardly going to have Shaw's level of imperialist guilt.

 

[del62]

Well, again, he was an upper-class Englishman who had cut his teeth with Kitchener's cavalry at Omdurman. He was hardly going to have Shaw's level of imperialist guilt.

George Bernard Shaw, now there is a truly objectionable fellow.

 

[Save_Ferris]

soooooo Islam is evil?

 

[salty mud]

soooooo Islam is evil?

Possibly.

 

[Traitorfish]

Well, again, he was an upper-class Englishman who had cut his teeth with Kitchener's cavalry at Omdurman. He was hardly going to have Shaw's level of imperialist guilt.

You could argue as much, but either way it makes it hard to sustain the claim that he was in any fundamental sense a democrat. Democracy was, as he candidly admitted, simply the least objectionable option available to him, and he proved time and time again- his support for the Whites in Russia, his involvement in the repression of the First Dáil, his hostility to independence movements in the Empire- that he had absolutely no loyalty to it either as a point of either principle or practice.

 

[WindFish]

Churchill also thought gassing "colonials" was fine because they weren't civilised or human.

 

[Quackers]

Churchill also thought gassing "colonials" was fine because they weren't civilised or human.

Link?