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[Traitorfish]

It wasn't that bad. After all, if Churchill was such a vocal supporter of Fascism why didn't he choose to ally with three, basicaly, fascist countries in the shape of Germany, Italy and Japan? These three fascist countries had achieved a internationalist-fascistic (whether that fits in with the theory or not) alliance and Churchill should have been allied up in no time - after all he was a "vocal supporter of fascism". I think the counter objection to my point (fascists do not have an internationalist urge) may be right in some cases but it isn't a good rule, after all we have the proof of the Axis to disprove that. Some people just don't have the right imagination

Why does being sympathetic fascism imply that you'd make a bee-line to ally with any and all fascist regimes in the vicinity? Least of all given that Britain was already at war when Churchill assumed the premiership. As I said, there were actual, honest-to-god fascists who participated in the French Resistance, so it's by no means obvious that fascist sympathies means throwing yourself behind anyone with a funny uniform who happens to wander down the street.

At any rate, the claim that the Axis represented some sort of "Fascist Internationalist" is just absurd. It was a military alliance between a fascist regime, a para-fascist regime and a non-fascist regime (with various petty allies and puppets scattered about the place); nothing about that is either fascist or internationalist.

 

[Arwon]

Remember how Franco and Salazar joined the war on the side of their (sort of) ideological brethren?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It wasn't that bad. After all, if Churchill was such a vocal supporter of Fascism why didn't he choose to ally with three, basically, fascist countries in the shape of Germany, Italy and Japan?

To show your abysmal reasoning wasn't that bad you decide to support it by repeating it.

Ra-thur.

 

[Quackers]

Dude, i added to it. You should of considered my entire post. For shame brah.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Well you explained what you meant, which was already obvious.

Not sure if I'd consider that "added". Or you must mean "added words to it". Then yeah. You did.

edit: Do you really actually seriously want people to explain to you why Churchill didn't ally with Germany and Italy? It would feel to me like that would be insulting your intelligence.

 

[Quackers]

Dude, It was obvious? Then why did TF write another post including other reasoning to counter it? After all, if it was so obvious he would of included it in his original appraisal of my point right? That arrogance we talked about in that other thread, it's coming out again brah.

 

[del62]

Dude, It was obvious? Then why did TF write another post including other reasoning to counter it? After all, if it was so obvious he would of included it in his original appraisal of my point right? That arrogance we talked about in that other thread, it's coming out again brah.

Best thing with Traitorfish is to just ignore him, when he types usually has as many holes in it as me Grandfathas string vest used to have.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Dude, It was obvious? Then why did TF write another post including other reasoning to counter it? After all, if it was so obvious he would of included it in his original appraisal of my point right? That arrogance we
talked about in that other thread, it's coming out again brah.

I'm not TF, I can't comment on his motivations. I don't recall any conversation on arrogance. Buddy.

 

[WindFish]

From what I understand of WindFish's post, he's saying that Churchill used lethal gasses, which simply isn't the case.

No, I said he was morally okay with using gas attacks against certain groups as Churchill thought non-whites were scum.

 

[Flying Pig]

Again, Churchill was a British aristocrat who was old enough to have seen Maxim guns opening up on spear-armed Africans - what do you seriously expect?

 

[WindFish]

Again, Churchill was a British aristocrat who was old enough to have seen Maxim guns opening up on spear-armed Africans - what do you seriously expect?

I expect people to see Churchill for what he really was and not what they want him to be.

 

[Ajidica]

Again, Churchill was a British aristocrat who was old enough to have seen Maxim guns opening up on spear-armed Africans - what do you seriously expect?

We expect to see an old-fasioned casual racist with a dislike for radical movements. Neither of which explains his soft-spot for fascism, especially when Churchill is held up as some kind of defender of democracy from birth.

 

[Antilogic]

it is yet another behind the scenes cloak and dagger Muslim action to make India look bad , which presumably makes Pakistan look better automatically .

where the Indian electric grid could not match the demands and crashed as Kramerfan86 already alluded to . A Turkish equivalent a few years back saw a generator fail in my city and the cascading failures put the entire Western Turkey section of the power grid out of order .

So are those 660 million people Muslims trying to make India look bad, or some fraction of the Indian population that is the victim, or what?

I don't know who the 660 million people are.

It wasn't that bad. After all, if Churchill was such a vocal supporter of Fascism why didn't he choose to ally with three, basicaly, fascist countries in the shape of Germany, Italy and Japan? These three fascist countries had achieved a internationalist-fascistic (whether that fits in with the theory or not) alliance and Churchill should have been allied up in no time - after all he was a "vocal supporter of fascism". I think the counter objection to my point (fascists do not have an internationalist urge) may be right in some cases but it isn't a good rule, after all we have the proof of the Axis to disprove that. Some people just don't have the right imagination

Why do you assume the fascist countries that formed the Axis allied because of ideology and not realpolitik?

 

[Angst]

It wasn't that bad. After all, if Churchill was such a vocal supporter of Fascism why didn't he choose to ally with three, basicaly, fascist countries in the shape of Germany, Italy and Japan? These three fascist countries had achieved a internationalist-fascistic (whether that fits in with the theory or not) alliance and Churchill should have been allied up in no time - after all he was a "vocal supporter of fascism". I think the counter objection to my point (fascists do not have an internationalist urge) may be right in some cases but it isn't a good rule, after all we have the proof of the Axis to disprove that. Some people just don't have the right imagination

Tell me what you understand of "democracy", how totalitarian Churchill's powers and personal beliefs were and who a British population would have sided with 20 years after having their sons slaughtered against the country suddenly invading everything.

 

[Leonel]

So your point is that Iraq was far more advanced and civilized under Hussein with far less sectarian violence than there is now? That isn't news, much less a revelation. Just ask about any Iraqi.

Who knew MisterCooper was a radical anti-war anti-American leftist?

 

[Flying Pig]

We expect to see an old-fasioned casual racist with a dislike for radical movements. Neither of which explains his soft-spot for fascism, especially when Churchill is held up as some kind of defender of democracy from birth.

He wasn't exactly a raving blackshirt; he admired the efficiency with which the Fascists conducted their business and recognised their great achievements, in the same way that modern Americans often praise George Washington without meaning to condone his support for slavery.

 

[Ajidica]

Sure, that is why I said he had a soft-spot for fascism rather than saying he was a fascist supporter.

 

[GoodGame]

I wake up....with coffee.


So Churchill is actually W, is actually pro-persecution of minorities?????


So Karl Rove went back in time to counsel Churchill?

 

[Traitorfish]

Best thing with Traitorfish is to just ignore him, when he types usually has as many holes in it as me Grandfathas string vest used to have.

What objections do you have to my comments in this thread? I'll never improve if you don't tell me where I'm going wrong.

Again, Churchill was a British aristocrat who was old enough to have seen Maxim guns opening up on spear-armed Africans - what do you seriously expect?

How does that make it any less reprehensible?

Why do you assume the fascist countries that formed the Axis allied because of ideology and not realpolitik?

Not to mention that even in the woolliest definition of "fascism", most members of the Axis Pact were not "fascist", and most "fascist" regimes were not members of the Axis Pact. If it was ever intended to be any sort of "Fascist International", it was a pretty incoherent one.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Churchill peers out the window of a heavenly tower and whispers, not again. Not again. Shumble muffle.

And begins plotting invasions of Norway, Ireland, France and Russia. The real menaces.