Warp Speed may be possible

Wild guess:
There has to be an electric signal synchronizing the production and detection. During connecting this line, a cable came up too short, so someone quickly added a 20m cable to bridge the gap and forgot to tell the others about it. So the clocks are 66ns off and the neutrinos actually arrive 6ns late instead of 60ns early.
 
Wild guess:
There has to be an electric signal synchronizing the production and detection. During connecting this line, a cable came up too short, so someone quickly added a 20m cable to bridge the gap and forgot to tell the others about it. So the clocks are 66ns off and the neutrinos actually arrive 6ns late instead of 60ns early.

That would be embarrassing.
 
From a skeptics point of view: How do they know it was the same neutrino beam?

That was actually the first question that popped into my head when I read this. It's nice that the researcher's are encouraging replication and being open with their results (apparantly), that indicates that they are at least not completely manufacturing results. The article I read earlier (off reddit) said that they were just as incredulous about the results as most of the people hearing secondhand.
 
E: Just found the thread about this news. Delete this thread, please. :>
EE: Hmmm, merging the threads made my post look even more weird. :D
 
That doesn't seem likely to me. I would think that there are lots of equations and observations that already define what C is. But I'm positive that there will be "loopholes" for this constant as well :p

Maybe these particles went by a slightly shorter "route" but still went at the speed of light.

If they do not find equipment failure then I would want to repeat the experiment over say 3000km and to Australia or New Zealand.
 
Some people thought they would die if they went faster than 30 mph.
 
Even if it is theoretically possible to go faster than the speed of light, practically it is impossible due to many factor out in space that would make it near impossible to do.
How can you be so certain about that? If this discovery is true, all bets are off.

At least then all the astrophysicists would have something more useful to do than to come up with the Nth branch of string theory ...
 
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Clearly, that neutrino was going at the speed of bad news, which obeys it's own special laws.
 
not that I understand this stuff, but you can find the abstract and a link to a pdf of the paper (not published yet, "preprint" afaik) here:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.4897

pdf didn't work in firefox for me, but worked in google chrome.

And here's some (presumably) knowledgeable guy--i.e. physicist at university of melbourne-- talking about how the claim for statistical uncertainty of 6.9 ns is (maybe?) way wrong:
http://johncostella.webs.com/neutrino-blunder.pdf

key point: "The level of statistical confidence they quote would require almost 12 times as many
measurements: not the 16,111 events they did measure, but rather more like 193,000 events." (edit) when I click on the second link it's taking me to middle of the pdf, but just scroll to the start.

I don't know if what he says is valid at all, I just saw it posted elsewhere.
 
Clearly, that neutrino was going at the speed of bad news, which obeys it's own special laws.

That sounds like a Terry Pratchett quote. :)
 
It was also the Civ4 BtS quote for lasers, as read by Sid.
 
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key point: "The level of statistical confidence they quote would require almost 12 times as many
measurements: not the 16,111 events they did measure, but rather more like 193,000 events." (edit) when I click on the second link it's taking me to middle of the pdf, but just scroll to the start.
This effectively brings everything into a better perspective.

However, if I remember correctly, the most general postulates of restricted relativity do not talk about speed of light but about limit speed.


Interestingly enough, every time that science is facing a change or calls into question previously accepted theory newspapers (media) make it appears as a defeat for science.
But it's exactly the opposite: whenever a theory is reviewed is a victory of science, particularly physics , which testifies to the progress of knowledge and the ability to unblock knowledge.
Something unthinkable for any other discipline of "human knowledge".
Welcome is the "fall" of Einstein as it was of Newton and Galileo, because it is not falling: still today we fly or see satellite television thanks to Newtonian mechanics, or use the GPS due to both (say Newton and Einstein).
We might have simply discovered that the description of "reality" to the level of the neutrino, well, is once again different from what we expected, well a lot more work for a new generation of physicist.
 
This is what science is all about: Finding experimental data that contradicts an established theory. It's something to be excited about!

Imagine what would happen if we found data that contradicted other established theories, such as the theory of evolution! Wouldn't that be crazy
 
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