What do you want out of life?

[Gorbles]

It's not just misdiagnosis. The current system is insufficient, because things are getting worse. And it's not really because we're not prescribing enough, because we're prescribing a lot.

We're either prescribing incorrectly or the current mental health mechanism is insufficient

Or both, plus a whole load of other factors. These things aren't binary. It's not either / or. Bearing in mind we've only gotten as far as America (I'm not being picky, this was clear and fair throughout), too.

Reducing a complex scenario to something that lines up with personal grievances is something that never ends well. It was a shallow analysis from the start, and I stand by my criticism of what Narz said.

 

[Hygro]

Reducing a complex scenario to something that lines up with personal grievances is something that never ends well.

Standalone very good quote.

 

[Farm Boy]

Sounds like early industrial capitalism.

Hazard of talking with a guy who still loves the good stuff about the life his grandfather built, who was born and raised to steam power and animal powered agriculture. Still not in total love with industrial capitalism. Doesn't mean other things don't seem like they manage to suck more.

 

[Hygro]

Hazard of talking with a guy who still loves the good stuff about the life his grandfather built, who was born and raised to steam power and animal powered agriculture. Still not in total love with industrial capitalism. Doesn't mean other things don't seem like they manage to suck more.

I just don’t get why people who saw the abuses of capitalism like forced re-education by coercion, forced migration by military, thought it was acceptable to “start over” by doing the same thing more suddenly and violently. I’m looking at you, 20th century state communists.

What I want out of life at this point, sure it’s helped by Keynesian democratic socialists because that’s just good policy but it’s not helped by state communists.

Like what I want out of life requires I personally kick ass and no system against letting you see what you can make of life with your environment and the people in it is free enough for me. It won’t all be equal, and movements towards equality I will vote for, allow taxes for and spending for. Like Nicaragua isn’t wheel chair accessible and it’s bad, but it’s because a lot of people just built something out of nothing because that’s what they could do and it’s super cool.

I believe in that freedom extended. Yeah it gets really spicy, high risk, as technology increases but we’re all people listening to each other more and more, operating in some concert. Like right now with 8 billion people on the internet there’s hundreds of thousands of tourists in this country (it was 1.5 million before the current crisis) and it is all pretty chill. But 150 years ago it was like filibusters taking this place over. You’re free to try, indeed the current guy basically did, but most of us want love and peace for each other. And most of us want glory as well, to varying degrees. I feel glory every time I have a conversation only in Spanish. And I feel glory when I can share kisses with someone say after a few nights of knowing them or ten weeks of trying, all the same (but different). Felt glory when I negotiated a boat ride to another beach and back.

A lot of people were told no by someone and decided it’s their job to pass on the “no” but it’s not your job, definitely not mine, and I’m certainly not about to be ashamed when someone who doesn’t understand what a blessing this all is tells me I’m some form of bad for not being negative enough.

But I used to, and it really hurt my quality of life and in turn the quality of life for those around me.

I want a lot out of life, and I hope we cross some more paths.

 

[emzie]

If the society we've built isn't right for the people, then the people need to change?

SO MUCH THIS.

Take ADHD. It is absolutely not a disorder except in the context of society.

 

[AdamCrock]

Thank you!

I'm pretty sure that mental illness (however one describes it) comes with the human territory. Cultural activities can certainly affect whether or not the symptoms we show and are enhanced or diminished. Depending upon who you ask, Trump supporters and SJW both fall into the category of mentally ill. Are addictions genetic, learned, or chemical? Are they all three? I think that the standard for being not mentally ill is to not show symptoms that are to outside of the current norm. Whatever that is. I think that the normal process of going through adolescence is pretty much coping with built-in mental illness. Local and regional cultural practices can enhance or reduce the impact and measurement of just how mentally ill a person is.

We all struggle with mental challenges that go along with our physical ones. One's friends, family, and support networks can make those struggles easier or harder or both. For thousands of years drugs and alcohol have been primary sources of temporary relief from our angst.

In my personal opinion You are overthinking it

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

SO MUCH THIS.

Take ADHD. It is absolutely not a disorder except in the context of society.

You take children, stick them at a desk for like six hours (except for a 15-minute recess if they're lucky), and then wonder why they have trouble paying attention?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Take ADHD. It is absolutely not a disorder except in the context of society.

I wouldn't go that far. I think it's true that parents in the US wrongfully turn to drugs to treat unruly kids under the pretext of ADHD but I've known people with real ADHD and they do not function well off their medications.

 

[emzie]

I wouldn't go that far. I think it's true that parents in the US wrongfully turn to drugs to treat unruly kids under the pretext of ADHD but I've known people with real ADHD and they do not function well off their medications.

I take amphetamines for ADHD and I'm pretty useless without them too.

Given the overlap between ADHD and ASD, I think the issue isn't the individual. In hunter-gatherer societies, we'd not need meds. We'd be the aloof person in the tribe who found patches of berries because we wandered off in curiosity.

 

[AdamCrock]

People worry too much I think I mean look at all that unfortunates ..... we have a name now for every flippin' condition under the sun ! which means we are SICK !

Sorry human race, we can't go on , we are SICK !

humanity died , couldn't go on because little Jimmy couldn't spell right ! fudging plesase !!!

 

[AdamCrock]

humanity died , couldn't go on because little Jimmy couldn't spell right ! ******* plesase !!!

Actually there's a Rant here :

 

[Synobun]

Behold, a thread on CFC where leftists espouse conservative right-wing views.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

wut

 

[Synobun]

wut

All this stuff about how mental disorders aren't real is typical Boomer talk.

 

[GenMarshall]

Behold, a thread on CFC where leftists espouse conservative right-wing views.

Wait, what?

 

[MaryKB]

All this stuff about how mental disorders aren't real is typical Boomer talk.

 

[Hygro]

SO MUCH THIS.

Take ADHD. It is absolutely not a disorder except in the context of society.

Sure but then ADHD “correlates” to pesticide exposure which is another way of saying that being poisoned can permanently harm your executive functioning. This is hardly “not a disorder” nor ok for hunter gatherers either.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Sure but then ADHD “correlates” to pesticide exposure which is another way of saying that being poisoned can permanently harm your executive functioning.

In the PBS documentary "Case of the Frozen Addict" (start at the 42-minute mark, and beware of the weird sound effects) they also talked about a correlation between pesticide usage in Quebec and increased rate of Parkinson's. This was in the late 1980s though.

 

[Narz]

Narz hasn't gone any of the heavy lifting, here. Prescriptions can cause harm. But so can misdiagnosis. Has there been an effort to dig down and identify and which end of the medical process these failures are occurring? No! That's what I'm objecting to.

You're objecting to me not dealing w all the issues you personally would like me to address?

If you want me to write articles about exactly what you want that's a job and you'd need to pay me.

Addiction sums up a large spectrum of diagnoses, and a lot of them involve the altering of brain chemistry. We have a lot of talk in this thread about "positive thoughts" and linking things to depression and so on. The two are not the same, and I did assume you meant similarly. If by "mental health", all you mean is a vast spectrum of diagnoses that some prescription drugs can have an impact on, then fair enough.

I'd still consider your position massivelyexaggerated and reliant on your personal history and mistrust with the field. And the attacks on my motive you even admitted came out of otherthreads and posts made before this one, so don't backtrack now.

Bro you said mental health and addiction and two separate, unconnected things, now you're saying a whole lota nothing.

 

[Narz]

Reducing a complex scenario to something that lines up with personal grievances is something that never ends well. It was a shallow analysis from the start, and I stand by my criticism of what Narz said.

What horse****. Get over it.

You're the one obsessed w my "personal grievances".

It's called lived experience, usually sjw's love that stuff.

I'm reporting on what I've observed and stating my opinion on larger trends (very uncontroversial stuff like that clearly the better living thru chemistry model towards mental health is not a success... to which your only counterargument is that my personal experience with the mental health care system makes me biased). Not sure why that gets your panties in a bunch so badly.

My grievances as you call them are no longer personal, my past is the past, I am concerned for others now.

Your ad-hominems are boring. My opinions stand alone regardless of personal experience. America has a drug problem and a massive uptick in medicatedness has failed to correct said problem.

Are there other factors besides overprescribing and overelying on drugs? Yeah. So go start a thread and discuss then instead of whining that I'm not discussing them.