What does a MAGA hat stand for?

[Cloud_Strife]

What the discrimination actually is is surely a factor when weighing up the severity of an issue.

Cispeople literally tell transpeople to calm down on the topic of deadnaming and misgendering nevermind that it's still disputed by Cispeople in general whether those count as harrassment (even intentionally!), so no. Not really.

This is especially troubling when those defining what is and isn't harrassment (in this case) aren't even trans themselves.

 

[Synobun]

Cispeople literally tell transpeople to calm down on the topic of deadnaming and misgendering nevermind that it's still disputed by Cispeople in general whether those count as harrassment (even intentionally!), so no. Not really.

This is especially troubling when those defining what is and isn't harrassment (in this case) aren't even trans themselves.

But Cloud, the discrimination isn't that bad! You should just be fine with it and be happy it's not worse. Smh the things us cis people do for you and you're so ungrateful. Makes me wonder why we bother! Just think: there are other countries where you'd be killed real lickity-split. We aren't just executing you in the street. Why can't you give us credit for that? Why aren't you grateful to us, your benevolent benefactors? Sure, we might deny you healthcare. Sure, we might not let you enjoy the perks of service. Sure, we might put it in legislature that the essence of who you are won't be supported by the state. But we aren't pulling a trigger, and really, that's what's important here.

 

[Gorbles]

What the discrimination actually is is surely a factor when weighing up the severity of an issue.

I mean, we're in a thread discussing the severity of mean things being said to people wearing a kind of hat, so, sure. Let's talk about how serious an issue federal discrimination against a particular career is just because someone happens to be transgender. Does that not strike you as a major issue? Is that not a worrying precedent?

 

[luiz]

"discrimination against a minority is not a major issue" is definitely not the thing I thought you'd say, here.

It's a pretty light discrimination. Both my dad and I were not allowed to serve in the air force because of some irrelevant medical condition that wouldn't impact my performance at all. That does not make me the equivalent of a Holocaust survivor, does it?

Pretty much every single country in the world does not allow trans people in the military. It's unfortunately the standard state of where we are in 2019. It's not really scandalous. It doesn't mean Hitler won the war and we're all living in the Greater Nazi Reich. It's very minor in the face of many, many other issues, and I can certainly understand voters not prioritizing this over more substantial stuff.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Ultimately this decorum and hesitancy yo accept any sort of repercussions for voting for a party KNOWN for discrimination and intentionally discriminating against the already weak does nothing but enable the oppressors and to hurt those disenfranchized by them

 

[Gorbles]

It's a pretty light discrimination. My dad was not allowed to serve in the air force because of some irrelevant medical condition. That does not make him the equivalent of a Holocaust survivor, does it?

Pretty much every single country in the world does not allow trans people in the military. It's unfortunately the standard state of where we are in 2019. It's not really scandalous. It's very minor in the face of many, many other issues.

A medical exemption (which will be done on concerns of, well, ability and health in the field) is different from simply existing as a member of a marginalised minority.

Also, your argument to absurdity doesn't do yourself any favours, here. People complain when things are compared to Nazis, but apparently because marginalised minorities don't have it as bad as a Holocaust survivor they should, what, not complain? Amazing.

 

[El_Machinae]

"discrimination against a minority is not a major issue" is definitely not the thing I thought you'd say, here.

The actual implemented policy is a separate issue from the #MAGA tweet.

This 'centralist' viewpoint of "let's see what the actual policy IS" is reasonable for a citizen to do. But when judging what #MAGA is, we look at the communications meant to appease that base.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

It's a pretty light discrimination. I was not allowed to serve in the air force because of some irrelevant medical condition that wouldn't impact my performance at all. That does not make me the equivalent of a Holocaust survivor, does it?

Pretty much every single country in the world does not allow trans people in the military. It's unfortunately the standard state of where we are in 2019. It's not really scandalous. It's very minor in the face of many, many other issues.

It's not scandalous to you because you've already accepted transphobia as being an acceptable facet of life, an acceptable trade and byproduct so what does that make you Luiz? It doesn't make you an ally or neutral, so again what does that make you, where does that leave those looking at your piss poor attempts to defend bigotry?

What materially and functionally differentiates you from a transphobe? Your decorum does nothing to hide the horrendously bigoted implications of being allowed to discriminate against certain groups of people. You own that.

 

[Farm Boy]

let's see what the actual policy IS

You have to. You get told something every year for your life, but the flying monkeys still defund soil and water. Ohwai...local concern to international crowd. Two crappy options, yadda yadda.

Or, it's been going on so long you forget which side has decided it's either new or old to be pro-asylum or anti-asylum. Whether protecting wages domestically or free trade is the which turdcorner's issue. It's flipped around and it's all sensitivity of self-interest and economic interest wearing masquerading as virtue.

 

[Estebonrober]

"Great" is a synonym for "Transphobic". Or "Racist". Or anything you like really.

well in America’s defense it never really stopped being racist or transphobic. So doing it again would be a misnomer.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I mean, we're in a thread discussing the severity of mean things being said to people wearing a kind of hat, so, sure. Let's talk about how serious an issue federal discrimination against a particular career is just because someone happens to be transgender. Does that not strike you as a major issue? Is that not a worrying precedent?

Does the topic of this particular thread (which seems to be what the hat represents, not how severe mean things being said to wearers of said hat) have any bearing on whether or not the form of discrimination is a factor in determining how bad the discrimination is? It's certainly a less major issue than, for example, not being allowed to own property would be, is it not? And whether or not it's a worrying precedent would depend on whether or not it's a precedent at all.

 

[Estebonrober]

Fwiw regarding the global citizen model I do support. That model is not exclusionary to borders and certain rules within said borders. “Do as the Roman’s do” would still be the common sense mold. It’s just that basic civil rights and actual recourse to legal structures anywhere in the world would be guaranteed. Whether in Texas or Iran.

 

[Synobun]

Also, your argument to absurdity doesn't do yourself any favours, here. People complain when things are compared to Nazis, but apparently because marginalised minorities don't have it as bad as a Holocaust survivor they should, what, not complain? Amazing.

Let's not forget here that Luiz's original meltdown about how us leftists always compare things to the Nazis was wrong, because the only people who have mentioned the Reich were Rah and him. Both used it for the absurdist comparison. But somehow it's been assigned to us.

 

[luiz]

A medical exemption (which will be done on concerns of, well, ability and health in the field) is different from simply existing as a member of a marginalised minority.

Also, your argument to absurdity doesn't do yourself any favours, here. People complain when things are compared to Nazis, but apparently because marginalised minorities don't have it as bad as a Holocaust survivor they should, what, not complain? Amazing.

Not if it's an irrelevant medical exemption that some idiot put on a box for no good reason other than ignorance...

Look, I get that it's discrimination. But there are loads and loads of legal and illegal discrimination going on. This is not a particularly severe case of discrimination.

To give an example, right now US colleges are legally allowed to discriminate against Asian Americans based on their race. Typically, Democrats support the rulings that allow this discrimination to continue. Does this mean that everyone who votes for democrats is a racist, or at least bigoted against Asian Americans? Is it possible to vote for a candidate that supports such rulings while still disagreeing with them, because one believes there are larger areas of agreement?

 

[luiz]

It's not scandalous to you because you've already accepted transphobia as being an acceptable facet of life, an acceptable trade and byproduct so what does that make you Luiz? It doesn't make you an ally or neutral, so again what does that make you, where does that leave those looking at your piss poor attempts to defend bigotry?

What materially and functionally differentiates you from a transphobe? Your decorum does nothing to hide the horrendously bigoted implications of being allowed to discriminate against certain groups of people. You own that.

Hum, all that because I said preventing trans people from serving in the military is bad but not really Nazi-esque?

 

[El_Machinae]

You have to. You get told something every year for your life, but the flying monkeys still defund soil and water. Ohwai...local concern to international crowd. Two crappy options, yadda yadda.

Yeah, the government may not do what was promised to the #MAGA hat. But the #MAGA hat still wanted those promises.

 

[Farm Boy]

The swipe was at that base too. There's no grouping of ****-for-brains that I've been able to draw a circle around.

 

[bernie14]

Tbh, i would go for this compromise..... transfolk allowed into the military BUT elective surgery that would preclude their active participation in their duties for a continuous period of over 6 weeks would be performed AFTER an honorable discharge

 

[Estebonrober]

Tbh, i would go for this compromise..... transfolk allowed into the military BUT elective surgery that would preclude their active participation in their duties for a continuous period of over 6 weeks would be performed AFTER an honorable discharge

i mean is this on the supposition that trans people would join the military to get this procedure and then drop out as fast as possible or something?

M4A would fix that concern. /snicker

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Tbh, i would go for this compromise..... transfolk allowed into the military BUT elective surgery that would preclude their active participation in their duties for a continuous period of over 6 weeks would be performed AFTER an honorable discharge

And what of Cispeople?