Manfred Belheim
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What does a MAGA hat stand for?
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hobbsyoyo
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Cis soldiers get elective surgeries that limit their duties all the time. And there are restrictions on that when it comes to deployments which isn't an issue. Moreover, a gender reassignment is not going to turn a person into an invalid for a full 6 weeks.
And what if that were a primary motivation? What of it? Cis people join up with the military primarily because of the benefits every day and it is not an issue. As you allude to, an inclusive healthcare system (which the military has!) for everyone would remove this entire incentive and increase liberty for everyone.
bernie14
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and what is the likelihood that m4a will pass anytime soon?
what about them?
There is an interesting question as to whether the military should admit people that require medical treatment. I mean, it's a good way of "working for your healthcare" (that insane thing that the United States does). But you also can see why a military would want to only hire people that don't require medical treatment.
It's also a separate discussion as to what MAGA represents.
It's also a separate discussion as to what MAGA represents.
Cloud_Strife
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Why are you applying a different standard in regards to surgeries to Transpeople?
As Hobbsyoyo pointed out, surgeries aren't just limited to transpeople.
bernie14
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If a cisperson's primary goal in joining the military is to get some elective surgery, same rules apply
Synobun
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Adopting racist, sexist, and transphobic views to own the libs
Manfred Belheim
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Or wearing hats to own the libs.
Which I suppose is the whole question of the thread isn't it.
Which I suppose is the whole question of the thread isn't it.
Synobun
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Joke's on you, I was merely pretending to be racist, sexist, and transphobic!
Traitorfish
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Do you agree with me that Americans should have more than two viable parties to vote for, and have real electoral choice through comprehensive election reform, or are you satisfied with a solid, corrupt, and rigged two-party system, where everyone must vote Democratic, Republican, throw away their vote on an inevitable protest Third Party, Independent, or write-in vote, or sit at home, and still continue to feel justified in calling those who vote Republican outright "fascists," "racists," and "transphobics," without any knowledge or care for the actual motivation they had for voting such when there's only two viable choices?
The only issue I see is that trans people do require regular hormone therapy for the rest of their lives (at least as I understand it, correct me if I'm wrong). This creates logistic issues for units deployed in combat that have trans soldiers. Even in a low intensity conflict like when I was in Iraq, supply lines can be disrupted. I remember our COP being reduced to eating MREs because supply convoys couldn't get to us for about a month due to constant ambushes.
This would be an issue because the last thing you want in a combat situation is for soldiers to start having body chemistry issues that might affect their ability to perform.
Of course we could then just exclude trans soldiers from combat MOSs and limit them to garrison duty (that means never deploying them). However if we do that, I foresee complaints of promotion discrimination since both the Army and the Marines put a heavier emphasis on combat deployments when considering someone for promotion. In fact, that was the exact reason women cited for why they should be allowed to enter combat MOSs.
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When I got a vasectomy I had to go to a non-catholic medical center to get it done. Was I the victim of discrimination?
Seriously the worst examples of discrimination you've come up with have been the conscience rule and the ban on transgenders in the military. Somehow cloud views those as very serious threats. I guarantee you there are plenty of hospitals and doctors and health insurers who are more than willing to cover your elective procedures. Just as I was easily able to find someone to perform my vasectomy.
Quick google search indicates 0.6% of the US population is trans. Another search says 0.5% of the country is active military. 330 million people, so a shade under 10k might be affected, and in reality probably far, far less so since I doubt trans people wish to join the military at the same rate as cis people.
If someone gets fired from a job for being transgender they should sue and take it to the supreme court so we can get them a federally protected class like other minorities are. And then we'll see if republicans still oppose that, and then maybe I'll refuse outright to vote for them based on one singular issue.
Seriously the worst examples of discrimination you've come up with have been the conscience rule and the ban on transgenders in the military. Somehow cloud views those as very serious threats. I guarantee you there are plenty of hospitals and doctors and health insurers who are more than willing to cover your elective procedures. Just as I was easily able to find someone to perform my vasectomy.
Quick google search indicates 0.6% of the US population is trans. Another search says 0.5% of the country is active military. 330 million people, so a shade under 10k might be affected, and in reality probably far, far less so since I doubt trans people wish to join the military at the same rate as cis people.
If someone gets fired from a job for being transgender they should sue and take it to the supreme court so we can get them a federally protected class like other minorities are. And then we'll see if republicans still oppose that, and then maybe I'll refuse outright to vote for them based on one singular issue.
Lexicus
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Just want to mention that this whole idea of people getting fired explicitly for being in some category like transgender misses the point pretty severely. In a world where at-will employment is the rule no employer is going to be stupid enough to tell you they're firing you because you're x, they will just fire you and give no reason for it, and it is perfectly legal to do that under an at-will contract. I support anti-discrimination law on principle but getting rid of at-will employment would go a lot farther toward protecting people than anti-discrimination protections.
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Argument is bankrupt anyways.
"I'm sure Republicans will be fine with trans people once it's illegal for them to be not fine with them. Until then, it's chill. Discriminate against them because the law is on your side uwu and that means it's okay~."
Traitorfish
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It's not discrimination if an organisation has a blanket policy of not offering a service to anyone. That's literally the opposite of discrimination.
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Would you still say that if a place blanket-refuses to perform gender reassignment surgery? According to the logic you've presented, that would not be an example of discrimination, but rather the opposite.
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