What if Fox News was the only source of News

[Gucumatz]

Simple question Chiteng, we know what you think of the rest of media, but do you actually think Fox is a legitimate news source?

 

[peter grimes]

Fox is the only major news source in the US that lies as a matter of policy.

I have no proof of that. As such, I will accept only, 'YOU' think they lie.

I do know that the other news services simply dont cover the news I want to hear about.

I dont demand anyone share my opinions. You do.

With record enforcement against undocumented immigrants, it seems that we are not getting universal amnesty and I do not know of anyone supporting that concept nor news outlet portraying that as the case.

But be happy that Obama is the strongest Presidential performer in decades in favor of your pet issue.

I dont consider what YOU are calling 'facts' as facts. They are opinion only, and can be
easily disregarded in the face of observational evidence.

Wow. I'm reminded of something Chiteng said that I used to use in my signature. Something along the lines of "when dealing with idiots I don't find critical thinking useful."

Thread after thread, we show you direct observational evidence that Obama has [deplorably, in my opinion] deported more undocumented people than any previous administration, and yet you insist that he does nothing. Which makes your desire for proof of stuff laughable - since when we present it to you, we are presented with "I dont consider what YOU are calling 'facts' as facts"

Ok, but then how can you maintain logical consistency and say
"It helps if what they say is not contradicted by what I observe in reality.
When it IS so contradicted, then it becomes suspect."?

You're all over the place, but everywhere you go you seek out and find a swarm of people coming into this country without official sanction, people you think are hurting you somehow. Obamacare is off-topic in the thread according to you, but apparently not this.

 

[Cutlass]

I dont consider what YOU are calling 'facts' as facts. They are opinion only, and can be
easily disregarded in the face of observational evidence.

Maybe if you actually had some of that observational evidence. Since you don't, moot point.

 

[Chiteng]

Simple question Chiteng, we know what you think of the rest of media, but do you actually think Fox is a legitimate news source?

I think that they cover more events that I wish to hear about than the others.

They are more 'legitimate' (your word) than say MSNBC

 

[Chiteng]

Wow. I'm reminded of something Chiteng said that I used to use in my signature. Something along the lines of "when dealing with idiots I don't find critical thinking useful."

Thread after thread, we show you direct observational evidence that Obama has [deplorably, in my opinion] deported more undocumented people than any previous administration, and yet you insist that he does nothing. Which makes your desire for proof of stuff laughable - since when we present it to you, we are presented with "I dont consider what YOU are calling 'facts' as facts"

Ok, but then how can you maintain logical consistency and say
"It helps if what they say is not contradicted by what I observe in reality.
When it IS so contradicted, then it becomes suspect."?

You're all over the place, but everywhere you go you seek out and find a swarm of people coming into this country without official sanction, people you think are hurting you somehow. Obamacare is off-topic in the thread according to you, but apparently not this.

I give no kudos to actions that have evident bias. I want those illegal families of five(or more) Deported along with the drug dealers and criminals. Because they ARE
criminals also. Since Obama does NOT do that, he is obviously padding the numbers
for political theater, so that people like Jollyroger can 'claim' record deportations.
Political Patronage pure and simple. It is disgusting.

 

[JollyRoger]

Drug dealers and criminals are easier to deport and the highest priority to deport. The raw numbers indicate that Obama has been the most efficient deporter-in-chief in our lifetime. Perhaps you would rather be surrounded by drug dealers and criminals than a family of five, but that desire still does not change the President's record raw numbers.

 

[Chiteng]

Drug dealers and criminals are easier to deport and the highest priority to deport. The raw numbers indicate that Obama has been the most efficient deporter-in-chief in our lifetime. Perhaps you would rather be surrounded by drug dealers and criminals than a family of five, but that desire still does not change the President's record raw numbers.

That simply means raw numbers mean nothing.

You can laud those. I will not

 

[peter grimes]

Point:

I dont consider what YOU are calling 'facts' as facts. They are opinion only, and can be
easily disregarded in the face of observational evidence.

Counterpoint:

That simply means raw numbers mean nothing.

You can laud those. I will not

You're arguing against yourself here. But since it's not about Obamacare, I guess it's not Off-Topic?

 

[JollyRoger]

That simply means raw numbers mean nothing.

You are a perfect example just now of bending the truth.

I don't even need a one liner here.

 

[Gucumatz]

#BringbackMISTERCOOPER JR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JollyRoger]

Last time I saw MC, he was on the auction block at Sotheby's.

 

[peter grimes]

MisterCooper hasn't logged in since April.

He had posted about an upcoming medical procedure that filled him with apprehension. I'm sure we all hope everything went as well as can be expected, and that we miss his unique flavor of opinion.

I'd be surprised to see him post here again, to be honest

 

[~Corsair#01~]

If MisterCooper is actually a real person and not a joke account made by another CFCer, then I hope he's OK. If he's not, then I guess he's just another victim of Poe's Law.

Spoiler :

Seriously though, I think that anybody who's willing to talk to other people and honestly discuss their opinions is one of "the good guys", even if they are a crazy right-wing cookjob. If he's not a fictional character I wish him well.

 

[bhsup]

Don't act like this is something new or has anything to do with censorship or government approval. There already are tons of labels for your product that require your product to meet certain criteria. Why not apply this to news?

Because, just like with 2nd amendment and guns, we have the 1st amendment which specifically singles out the press. They should enjoy protections and freedoms beyond the norm for the rest of society. The press isn't a carton of juice...

 

[Gucumatz]

^ The above. Even if they are lying pieces of you know what, its a fundamental right in a working democracy. Or in our case, a non-working democracy . Sure things would run smoother if we had a media that didn't deliberately misinform its viewers every 5 minutes - but if we began controlling the media then things might eventually lead to the government deliberately misinforming its viewers every 10 minutes [As clearly the free market has proven to be more efficient at misinformation ]

Sure Fox is a spoiled carton of milk, but we can't just throw it out and replace it with something potentially worse/better

 

[Lord Baal]

Drug dealers and criminals are easier to deport and the highest priority to deport. The raw numbers indicate that Obama has been the most efficient deporter-in-chief in our lifetime. Perhaps you would rather be surrounded by drug dealers and criminals than a family of five, but that desire still does not change the President's record raw numbers.

Drug dealers don't take Chiteng's job, whereas a family of five might.

 

[Gucumatz]

Maybe the drug dealer had cancer and needed to take a second job? Who says a family of 6 5 can't still take his job and make drugs?

 

[Formaldehyde]

There has invariably been yellow journalism in the US and elsewhere since the inception of the press. It isn't a new problem by any means, nor is it something which is exclusive to Fox News.

What has apparently changed are the number of people who try to rationalize and defend it, typically by claiming it is merely a matter of bias than deliberate propagandizing and even overt lying. That it is no different than other media which have a bias but do have at least a semblance of journalistic integrity.

 

[GoodGame]

Late night comedy shows would re-broadcast the news.

 

[Leoreth]

You would be shutting down Ben Franklin

Ben Franklin lied to people and called it news to make money?

Because, just like with 2nd amendment and guns, we have the 1st amendment which specifically singles out the press. They should enjoy protections and freedoms beyond the norm for the rest of society. The press isn't a carton of juice...

Exactly, the press isn't a carton of juice. It's a lot more important.

The most important requirement for a successful democracy is an informed electorate. This is the reason freedom of the press is important, which should be considered when people with completely different interests claim to be part of the press to abuse the privileges that come with it. If you accept this, the term "press" becomes an empty word, and the constitutionally guaranteed protection of the press loses its legitimacy.

Just calling yourself news and journalism doesn't make you "the press" in the sense of what is ought to be protected by the constitution. That is only another part of the larger point I was getting at originally. The press as a whole is the victim of an identity theft by entertainers and political agitators. For money, and for the legal privileges you are so ready to give them.

To repeat my position: should Fox News be taken off the airwaves in a violation of their freedom of speech? No.

Should action be taken against broadcasts with the intention to disinform the public while seeking legal privilege and credibility from calling themselves news? I think it should.