Where is Poland?
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warpus
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Wow, this thread really exploded in unexpected directions. There are 200 new pages of stuff. Goddamit. At least I hope everyone now knows where Poland is so we never have to talk about it again
warpus
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Poland
warpus
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Poland
madviking
north american scum
Poland?
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
Poland is love, Poland is life
warpus
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Kazik has the best lyrics. Here is this song translated into English poorly by google translate:
Take a look ...
Look around, how much dirt in the street
What people are destroyed, what kind they are martyred
A night at the houses stand dirty prostitutes
I'm scared to walk through the night, so now is the violence
These women, who work days and nights in the factories
These men who drown his despair in cheap wines
Not seeing nice things for them, there is no nice things
Look, look around and do not try to deny it
The hotel parking lots of kids żebrzącymi
Luckily the car is washed with German numbers
Taxi drivers in cars playing cards for money
Wait for your whole life for benefactor
These views unusual for us after all is normal
We're abnormal
What did you bastards did to this land
Catholic confusion of post-communist mania
Those praying every morning and walking to church
We are happy to kill you just for the shape of your nose
Water has already moved from the top to the lake poisoned
Hatred to the lake, home of the ancient dragon
In each one accompanied by only talking about money
Businesses get richer, but getting dirtier in kiblach
The street traders in the palace stench rises
Drink. spit and vomit and sell in the meantime
Tarpaulins and newspapers on the carcass is contaminated
A table with chocolate imported beer
These women, who work up to the twelfth hour
To buy some bread and feed his family
This is the beginning of the end
What did you bastards did to this land
Where are the crowds brudnoszare go in the summer, spring, winter
I pass cars with windows wytłuczonymi
I do not look at beggars with outstretched arms
These women who return to the hard labor of his home
Hair matted with dust, not waiting for you at home
Hey, this is going to your bus and the color red
And you say he was black, now just the smell and odor
Why in the summer here in the crowd of all the awful smell afterwards
I do not think they want to own, have already prepared returns
On the street and in homes cocktail priest guide
Who has not suffered under communism, now it is simply nothing
What the writer meant to say, he asks you from the Polish
He wanted to show the inequalities of capitalism early
This rich and poor, the rich and the poor, the rich and the poor
What did you bastards did to this land
Time goes, ages fluid and force it to stop
Stupid national pride and complexes for centuries
Dirty faces with mustaches, these aggressive frustrated
These women are tortured, as the night the sky lights up
Stand still on their feet, wash the things their children
An elderly man in a milk bar them from cucumbers potatoes
Tyrała whole life in the mill and the mill they put
All his hard work was all worth ing
If lay whole life, he would make a smaller loss
In the old part of the city asking for alms patients
Once May if necessary, to buy heroin
A night at the houses robbed cars
I'm scared to walk through the night, so now is the violence
It foretold, predicted, predicted
Look around, how much dirt in the street
What people are destroyed, what kind they are martyred
In the car on the pavement with mirrored glasses
Sitting sinister and gloomy with gas reprimands
Here thieves rob all who move
I do not think about the police, because you now May Confession
All times are born again fifty years too late
The experiment was carried out, but unfortunately not successful
So back to the past, grasp what had escaped
I think of the sky, and come up with another hell
Look at the streets along which the river flows
In the car on the sidewalk already paid the girl
Day is already coming to an end, the night will cover all the dirt
You can see there will be less of everything, just beating lying
Even die this land, no one can stop now
Already this dying land
Even die this land, no one can stop now
Already this dying land
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This song is actually a very good critique of Poland and just sort of flows.. It's not easy to make Polish flow like that, I have a lot respect for Kazik
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
This is a long time tradition ! ^^
Here is what will happen to You if You spill the wine ........
Link to video.
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
It's spelled Yourup.
Let this be the final word:
Obviously Northern Europe.
Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
Regarding the GDP per capita issue:
GDP per capita of West Germany in 1989 / 1990 was 2,5 times higher than GDP per capita of East Germany in 1989 / 1990.
This pretty much reflects the result of 45 years of Communism as compared to the at least 2,5 times higher speed of economic development when you was lucky enough to be on the western side of the Iron Courtain. And it should be noted that East Germany was a country with some special privileges / special treatment from the Soviet Union, better than other countries of the Warsaw Pact, which were economically abused by the Soviet Union (while East Germany was a "visiting card" of the Eastern Block for public opinion of the Western Block - so it had to at least make an impression of a prosperous state with no empty shops).
So it is safe to assume that the speed of GDP growth in Poland in 1945-1989 would be 3 times higher had there been no Iron Courtain and no Communism.
I don't say that there was no economic growth at all after 1945 - a lot was done, but it could not match changes in democratic countries.
And also the 1980s was the time of crisis for the Eastern Block. This caused that the gap between both sides of the Courtain even increased.
GDP per capita of West Germany in 1989 / 1990 was 2,5 times higher than GDP per capita of East Germany in 1989 / 1990.
This pretty much reflects the result of 45 years of Communism as compared to the at least 2,5 times higher speed of economic development when you was lucky enough to be on the western side of the Iron Courtain. And it should be noted that East Germany was a country with some special privileges / special treatment from the Soviet Union, better than other countries of the Warsaw Pact, which were economically abused by the Soviet Union (while East Germany was a "visiting card" of the Eastern Block for public opinion of the Western Block - so it had to at least make an impression of a prosperous state with no empty shops).
So it is safe to assume that the speed of GDP growth in Poland in 1945-1989 would be 3 times higher had there been no Iron Courtain and no Communism.
I don't say that there was no economic growth at all after 1945 - a lot was done, but it could not match changes in democratic countries.
And also the 1980s was the time of crisis for the Eastern Block. This caused that the gap between both sides of the Courtain even increased.
Perfection
The Great Head.
I have navigated this thread and carefully researched this topic for the better part of the past couple years (hence my lack of activity), I have come a surprising conclusion about Poland's location:
It's been in ourselves all along.
It's been in ourselves all along.
Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
Perfection said:
You are called "Perfection" after all, so Poland has to be inside you.
Yes, at that time wine was the most popular alcohol in Poland - not vodka or beer. Good old days...
BTW - wine was the most popular drink in Poland until WW2.
Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
warpus said:
This song is from 1992 - it reflects very well the frustration of the society after the Transformation.
It would fit very well to any country of the former Eastern Bloc in 1992 - not just to Poland.
The dream of capitalism soon turned out to be a nightmare. And the respected "moral authorities" (like Lech Walesa) - to be totally incompetent leaders.
But to put entire blame on political leadership is a mistake - majority of people were also helpless in adjusting to new economic conditions.
45 years of Communism totally killed the enterprising spirit in majority of people from those generations. They had to learn how to live from scratch.
My professor of cooperative law explained how most of Polish farmers wasted the chance to transform PGRs into privately-owned collective farms after 1989:
PGRs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Państwowe_Gospodarstwo_Rolne
Instead of carrying on their business in the legal form of privately-owned collective farms, they decided to dissolve their farms and divide property between themselves. Later they were living from hand to mouth, because they no longer had a job, and the phenomenon of "post-PGR villages" appeared:
"(...) Vandalized by Red Army soldiers, the buildings were taken over by the State after the war. State Owned Farms - PGR (Panstwowe Gospodarstwo Rolne) were established on this territory. A collective form of economy disappeared when the system changed, leaving the people who worked in PGRs to their own devices. These people never worked on a free market, therefore they feel lost in this new economic reality now. In post-PGR villages like Rapa or the near Mieduniszki Wielkie, poverty is in the air. People live on pensions and unemployment benefits. They feel abandoned by the State, drowning their frustration in smuggled alcohol."
The 45 years of Soviet-sponsored Sovietization and Communization of Poland and of the Polish society are to be blamed for this.
Also the contempt / disdain shown by some members of the political class towards majority of the society - this is also "heritage" of Communism.
For example let me quote deputy Stefan Niesiołowski, who - after a report was revealed that in Poland 800,000 children are malnourished - said:
"They should gather sorrel from railway embankments and sweet cherries from forests" - God, I hate this idiot...
Beautiful photos of deputy Stefan Niesiołowski (Civic Platform party) - he looks like this each time he participates in a public debate:
Spoiler :
warpus said:
Of Poland from 1992 - yes. Of Poland from 2013 - not really (although I agree that "scums" are still in the Parliament - as in Poland we had no real Decomunization - there was an agreement, rather than ruthless elimination of the "petty chieftains" of the Communism era, like they rightfully did in Czechoslovakia).
You are probably a Polish emigrant who emigrated in the early 1990s or perhaps already in the 1980s, right?
I noticed that many members of the Polish diaspora are "mentally stuck in the old days" - sorry to say this, but no offence, of course.
The major mistake of Poland during the Transformation period, was lack of real Decomunization (and such thing was done in Romania or Czechoslovakia).
As the result Communist "petty chieftains" were not stigmatized once and for all - like they should have been.
This should have been stated very clearly, who was a scum, who was a Secret Collaborator, who was a Communist agent. They should have been all stigmatized and once and for all removed from public life. But they were not, at least not all of them. And they still intoxicate Polish public life nowadays.
Fortunately, that generation is already dying out. Just let the remaining Communist scums simply pass away into oblivion.
And let's not elect into Parliament these of Communist scums, who changed their name and now call themselves "Social Democrats" or "Democratic Left".
Mise
isle of lucy
My view on Europe (Iceland is misplaced):
This is basically how I see Europe, except I don't have a "Central Europe", I just have Western, Northern, Southern and Eastern.
I also would only put Ukraine and Belarus in the same group as Turkey in the way that they aren't really Europe right now, for various reasons. Otherwise, I would categorise them separately. I would categorise UA and BY as "wannabe Russia" rather than "wannabe Europe", and Turkey as "would have been Europe if Europe wasn't such a bunch of arseholes but is now doing its own thing (and doing it pretty well, all things considered)".
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