Where is Poland?

[Domen]

I could include CZ in my concept of "Central Europe". Not Poland though. Still too close to Russia.

But you count distance to Kaliningrad Oblast or Russia proper?:

Did I ever say Northern Europe isn't a thing, or that the United Kingdom isn't part of it?

Tell me three things:

- When was the term "Northern Europe" used for the first time (what is the first recorded use)?

- When was the term "Eastern Europe" used for the first time (what is the first recorded use)?

- When was the term "Central Europe" used for the first time (what is the first recorded use)?

The term "Central Europe" was surely in use already in 1915 (contrary to what you have just claimed that it was invented after 1989):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitteleuropa#Mitteleuropa_Plan

Perhaps it was used even earlier - but I have not researched this.

Can you show me any recorded in sources use of term "Eastern Europe" or "Northern Europe" prior to year 1915?

 

[JohannaK]

It is irrelevant. Poland is much closer in any case.

 

[Zack]

But you count distance to Kaliningrad Oblast or Russia proper?:

Tell me three things:

- When was the term "Northern Europe" used for the first time (what is the first recorded use)?

- When was the term "Eastern Europe" used for the first time (what is the first recorded use)?

- When was the term "Central Europe" used for the first time (what is the first recorded use)?

The term "Central Europe" was surely in use already in 1915 (contrary to what you have just claimed that it was invented after 1989):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitteleuropa#Mitteleuropa_Plan

Perhaps it was used even earlier - but I have not researched this.

Can you show me any recorded in sources use of term "Eastern Europe" or "Northern Europe" prior to year 1915?

How is one German guy using the phrase "Central Europe" considered evidence that "Central Europe" was a widely recognized region of Europe? Further, the term "Central Europe" was used by whoever edited the Wikipedia article to refer to the region.

 

[Traitorfish]

Finland and Norway border Russia directly, and Sweden is only separated from it by a thin slither of Sweden certainly no broader than Belarus. Are we to take it that they, too, are "Eastern Europe"?

 

[Domen]

BTW - Poland is also referred to as being part of "Central Europe" here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Civilizations#Major_civilizations_according_to_Huntington

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_P._Huntington

How is one German guy using the phrase "Central Europe" considered evidence that "Central Europe" was a widely recognized region of Europe?

Hmmm - surely it is a much better evidence than NO guys using the NON-EXISTING or at least NOT-WIDELY USED phrase "Eastern Europe", is an evidence that it "Eastern Europe" was a widely recognized region of Europe prior to the Cold War Period...

 

[madviking]

Huntington is a dweeb.

 

[Domen]

About the "Central Europe - Cooperating For Success" programme:

http://www.central2013.eu/

CENTRAL EUROPE is a European Union programme that encourages cooperation among regions of nine central European countries: Austria, Czech Republic, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia and Ukraine. It aims to improve innovation, accessibility and the environment and to enhance the competitiveness and attractiveness of their cities and regions.

And here such a map from wikipedia (Poland is "between" Western and Eastern Europe):

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plik:Map_East_Europe.svg

 

[JohannaK]

Finland and Norway border Russia directly, and Sweden is only separated from it by a thin slither of Sweden certainly no broader than Belarus. Are we to take it that they, too, are "Eastern Europe"?

Nooo, because the Baltic Sea separes Northern Europe from the rest of it. It's a completely different thing.

 

[Zack]

Finland and Norway border Russia directly, and Sweden is only separated from it by a thin slither of Sweden certainly no broader than Belarus. Are we to take it that they, too, are "Eastern Europe"?

Northern Europe, but you already knew that.

 

[Domen]

Check the map of Central Europe according to the European Union's point of view (my post above).

According to this map, Central Europe encompasses:

- eastern & southern Germany
- northern part of Italy
- entire Austria
- entire Slovenia
- entire Hungary
- entire Czech Republic
- entire Slovakia
- entire Poland
- westernmost parts of Ukraine

And this is the official, modern standpoint of the European Union - so we should stick to this.

 

[Traitorfish]

Nooo, because the Baltic Sea separes Northern Europe from the rest of it. It's a completely different thing.

The Baltic doesn't separate Denmark from Germany, or Finland and Norway from Russia. So what gives?

 

[JohannaK]

It does not matter what I say, you will pick it by a single weak point and twist the intended meaning of my words anyway.

 

[Zack]

Check the map of Central Europe according to the European Union's point of view (my post above).

According to this map, Central Europe encompasses:

- eastern & southern Germany
- northern part of Italy
- entire Austria
- entire Slovenia
- entire Hungary
- entire Czech Republic
- entire Slovakia
- entire Poland
- westernmost parts of Ukraine

And this is the official, modern standpoint of the European Union - so we should stick to this.

In the end, that's not really what matters. The overwhelming popular view is that Poland is in Eastern Europe - that's what matters. People don't refer to "Central Europe".

(And this isn't math. There is no objectively correct answer that you can definitively prove.)

 

[Borachio]

People do refer to Central Europe. And very often have done in the past.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitteleuropa

 

[Domen]

Check my new avatar.

 

[Dachs]

Torino and Lviv - apparently they have more in common with each other than Warszawa and Moskva

who knew

 

[JohannaK]

The Poles did, obviously.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Sweden is only separated from it by a thin slither of Sweden

 

[dutchfire]

Can't see the forest for the Swedes

 

[Domen]

The overwhelming popular view is that Poland is in Eastern Europe

Overwhelming popular views are often silly and untrue views.

For example an overwhelming popular view is that Americans are fat and not very clever.

There is even a video on You Tube which attempts to sustain this stereotype ("Americans are not stupid").

Torino and Lviv - apparently they have more in common with each other than Warszawa and Moskva

Warsaw was called "Paris of the North" (alternatively also "Paris of the East") before WW2. So who knows.

And ironically Galicia (a region in which Lviv is located) was called "Polish Piedmont" before WW1.

Piedmont - a region of Italy in which Torino is located. So there must be something in it...