While We Wait: Boredom Strikes Back

[SKILORD]

If it was important they should have written it down.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Or typed it out here.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Did they hear themselves speak?

 

[Anonymoose]

If someone speaks, but their voice isn't heard by any, have they truly spoken?

Only if they spoke American. USA #1

 

[spryllino]

In a 17th century NES, in principle, do you each think the mod should make it the case that many nations, such as Spain, start the NES significantly in debt and paying interest every turn in addition to normal upkeep, and with such a large Flanders army that it cannot really keep up with its own expenditure? Or is that just dangerously unfun?

 

[Terrance888]

Oh no, it will drive them to promote creative ways to unload it.

South Seas Company Bubble anyone?

And have them lose prestige by disbanding their flanderian army. However, you must put a Mock Surgeon Coloneral warning there: Warning! Playing this nation without due experience will cause mental disease!

 

[Kraznaya]

what.

 

[spryllino]

what.

What indeed. What do you think?

 

[Dachs]

Paying interest to whom?

 

[Adrogans]

In a 17th century NES, in principle, do you each think the mod should make it the case that many nations, such as Spain, start the NES significantly in debt and paying interest every turn in addition to normal upkeep, and with such a large Flanders army that it cannot really keep up with its own expenditure? Or is that just dangerously unfun?

Like above - to who?

But what I would do is simply make their upkeep higher than their income.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Paying interest to whom?

Like above - to who?

But what I would do is simply make their upkeep higher than their income.

Add a banker player.

 

[Dachs]

That only works if someone's interested in doing that, and it's not very representative. If there's just going to be One Creditor to Rule Them All, the mod might as well do it.

 

[SKILORD]

the mod SHOULD do it...

easy solve, and just make it Switzerland or something, super neutral, I won't help you in your wars... but yes I'll always loan you money.... if your credit score measures up.

 

[Karalysia]

There has however been a Swiss Empire once before, long ago and twas a most glorious Empire. I should not like to see that prospect denied for I long to see it rise again.

 

[SKILORD]

then clearly you'll have to play a different NES

And I didn't mean LITERALLY swiss, and I'm sorry if I characterized the swiss people in a way that will have me eaten alive by the history buffs here. But I meant that they should adopt the sort of ideology traditionally attributed to the swiss, of absolute neutrality based on international banking...

Then you could even incorporate a cheap/ineffective mercenary system, with this mod state even being willing to offer up the manpower, *immune to invasion* *no standing army*

I've seen mods play in their own NESes before, and I've seen them stay out, this sort of hybrid would be interesting...

 

[Dachs]

Why make the biggest creditor a state?

 

[germanicus12]

Nations have loaned money to other nations, the United States still has debts to pay off.

Simply add a spoiler stat at the bottom of each stat and add the debts and who it is owed to there. Example:

United States of America/player
random stats concerning economy, military, techs, etc...
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Spoiler :

50 EP owed to China
100 EP owed to England

You can even add interest rates at the end of the sentences to indicate a treaty or deal between the two nations that the nation in debt must pay debtor nation 5% interest for 5 years or so...

I don't know how successful this would work, but it is an idea and can be picked apart and improved if anyone else has a better formula.

 

[Masada]

State-to-state loans played a small role in the 30 Years War and 80 Years War.

Or is that just dangerously unfun?

I would have thought Spain having 60,000 - 80,000 men consequence free might be considered un-fun.

 

[Dachs]

Pretty fun for Spain.

 

[Masada]

Whig sense tingling: Spain bad!