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If you balanced it in such a manner it would be simpler. It would provide a much smoother interaction, and the state In Game would be driven only to get those debts back. It also makes the world finances finite.
Now, value is an abstract concept, I would love to argue all night about whether or not it is "realistic" to portray it as a more concrete concept than it really is, however by making it a finite number, and allowing the creditor to actually seek reimbursement in the context of the game, to loan out more gold, if the mod can loan out an infinite amount of gold then that is also, long term, gamebreaking I think.
Switzerland still has really good geography to be an uninvadable banking state.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Ha, Switzerland itself is the vault. I never thought of it that way.
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Insurgent
Geography is destiny.
Possibly, but what you're basically suggesting here is constriction of the options of all players (nobody can serve as a creditor but Switzerland, and Switzerland's policy does not exist other than as a relation to its credit and mercenary deals) and totally warping Alpine geopolitics (extremely relevant, especially for the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries), for the purpose of making credit interactions somehow "simpler", and it's not clear to me that this would simplify anything. Unless there is a proliferation of Switzerlands, for instance, one gets the absurd result of the Swiss serving as the sole supplier of mercenaries in, say, the Japanese army, or being the creditor for the Mughals, something which destroys immersion (or ought to). This is not supposed to be in the nineteenth century (and even then, this role for Switzerland would not be particularly plausible, but for exciting new reasons).
Well, I suppose all states in debt would owe money to a variety of different NPC bankers, largely ignored by the game. Just in the same way, say, if Spain decides on a new road-building project, it buys the stone for the purpose from a variety of different faceless NPC stone merchants.
But is that acceptable in the opinions of NESers?
But is that acceptable in the opinions of NESers?
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Insurgent
Alright, it is possible that a non-state organ would be a better moderation tool, probably something more described as a fleet of ships so that they could do equal business with everyone. But you will still have to manifest them ingame to allow for debt but also ensure a finite supply of money.
I do not remember saying that PC's would be forbidden from loaning out money... it would just be harder for them to make it happen, they will probably charge more interest and will only be a resort for people looking to sell debt in a market flushed of it's liquidity. You probably have to take a lot of care to balance money supply for the overall game though to keep the economy in line. (You can't just KEEP borrowing, and the ingame merchant fleet needs to be moderator run with the intent of spreading debt evenly, therefore always trying to recoup their funds so that they can spread "development")
The sort of thing... now bear with me for a second... the IMF is supposed to do...
Imagine that, the moderator/loan shark demanding austerity measures from the debtors!
I do not remember saying that PC's would be forbidden from loaning out money... it would just be harder for them to make it happen, they will probably charge more interest and will only be a resort for people looking to sell debt in a market flushed of it's liquidity. You probably have to take a lot of care to balance money supply for the overall game though to keep the economy in line. (You can't just KEEP borrowing, and the ingame merchant fleet needs to be moderator run with the intent of spreading debt evenly, therefore always trying to recoup their funds so that they can spread "development")
The sort of thing... now bear with me for a second... the IMF is supposed to do...
Imagine that, the moderator/loan shark demanding austerity measures from the debtors!
Not really, the Alps aren't that big or formidable. The French certainly managed. And if Hitler had put the plan to invade Switzerland into action, Operation Tanneunbaum there was little the Swiss could have done about it despite their preparations.
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Alright, The IMF is probably a better central banking state, nobody has sucessfully invaded them yet.
And there's more than a couple Latin American dictators who would have loved to and were significantly better armed than the Monetary Fund, but it would be grasping at straws, they would probably only send a bill for the damages...
[Retreats completely from the Switzerland Issue... people trying to talk about history.... damnit I just wanted to talk economics...]
And there's more than a couple Latin American dictators who would have loved to and were significantly better armed than the Monetary Fund, but it would be grasping at straws, they would probably only send a bill for the damages...
[Retreats completely from the Switzerland Issue... people trying to talk about history.... damnit I just wanted to talk economics...]
IMF in the 17th century? Latin American nations were usually in debt to the Europeans and US who were the real creditor states. The British, French, Germans, Americans were the one's who gave out loans, had capital to spare, and invested. 50% of Russia's investments were French if I recall correctly.
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Insurgent
You could refrain from calling it the IMF, but it would essentially be the same thing. Yes the RL IMF gets it's funding from member states and they work together to loan out that money THROUGH the IMF, but it is also the lender of last resort with regards to development loans and is the instrument with which the "moderators" of the world economy in RL exercise this control of the world economy. In game the International Monetary Fund or Sailing Merchant Fleet, or Rogue Banker, whatever name you put on it, would serve the same role as lender of last resort and would hold the tab for most of the debt, such as the Spain debt that was the original problem, they would want to get this money back so that the moderator could loan it to different people because he cannot just invent money, because that would do a lot of damage to the idea of purchasing power within the game.
If you want total historic realism then it will probably not serve you well, if you want a game balance idea then there it is.
If you want total historic realism then it will probably not serve you well, if you want a game balance idea then there it is.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
New laptop yayayayay!
Abaddon
Deity
Is jealous.. my several month old one is already doing funny things from time to time..too much porn perhaps?
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Insurgent
Last time I got a new laptop I kept my old one just so I could put such things on that one without fear of reprecussion to my... working laptop.
The Information Superhighway is home to some crazy STDs.
The Information Superhighway is home to some crazy STDs.
Daftpanzer
canonically ambiguous
Back to my old tricks, I'm not officially terminating any NES, but again have started a new one: 
The idea has been floating around in my head for a while...
ZPNESX: Empires of Sky
DaftNES2 could resume later, especially when certain people are not in india
The idea has been floating around in my head for a while...
ZPNESX: Empires of Sky
DaftNES2 could resume later, especially when certain people are not in india
Kraznaya
Princeps
DaftNES2 could resume later, especially when certain people are not in india
The latter part of this is now a meme yo
Daftpanzer
canonically ambiguous
confused plz explain?
plz explain?
Abaddon
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It's been said a few times in several places it seems.
Kozmos
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Who uknemesis? Anyway only one of them is truly dead 
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