While We Wait: Boredom Strikes Back

[das]

false. If an author feels threatened by fanfic then he needs to work harder to put his own stories on a higher literary plane than fanfic and ignoring the non-threat represented by fanfic. You talk like it's music piracy when it's more like low-quality bands playing covers.

I'm reasonably sure it's less about copyright and more about art snobbery.

 

[Kentharu]

If you don't like fanfiction don't read it.

I'm not partial to it, so I don't bother getting into it. It just seems like a personal choice to me.

 

[SKILORD]

I'm just saying, people start cover bands, they rarely get rich off of them, and for the most part they aren't great (I can think of a couple that are ok, like badfish, but in general it's a big field and not that impressive). However when you're playing in those sort of bands you do get a lot of experience about how music is constructed and how the process and industry operates. Battery might not be "as 'good'" as Metallica is "good," but these people do not resort to art snobbery or bust down on every open mic when people try to karaoke "Enter Sandman."

I'd even go so far as to extend this into the realm of visual art forgery (although I know you said it was not about copyrights, but I wished to offer my finger to the modern western methodology of understanding, let alone enforcing intellectual property rights one last time), it isn't as though a discerning eye will think that a forgery of the Mona Lisa is the real thing, or that a cover of "Sunday Bloody Sunday" sounds the same as U2's version, but while experimenting with these premade and often beloved environments it is possible to learn something about their place in our culture and also about the mechanics of their operation in ways that can help people who are novices better understand songcraft/prose/drawing. When you reject their efforts out of art snobbery you deny their advancement, you prevent them from learning. Don't you know that it's a fool who plays it cool by making the world a little colder? I'm not saying that art snobbery has no place, or that an extremely high standard shouldn't be established or sought after, but I think that when you apply it to people who are still learning the mechanics of storytelling or their chosen artform that you seriously hinder the capacity of your artform to interact with society and promote meaningful connections between people.

Criticism is always positive, but out of hand rejection never is.

 

[Abaddon]

UK and Ireland?

Would be very cool.

I am assuming life is actually quite a bit nicer than in Fallout World, since nature will be still the same as it was? Society collapsed due to its inability to maintain itself?

Or are you going to take the NES like EQ did.. and start from the day of collapse?

 

[thomas.berubeg]

Would be very cool.

I am assuming life is actually quite a bit nicer than in Fallout World, since nature will be still the same as it was? Society collapsed due to its inability to maintain itself?

Or are you going to take the NES like EQ did.. and start from the day of collapse?

I'm thinking of running it with a turn per season (with the variations in food production that that would do.)

yes, nature WOULD be nice on the whole: easier to produce food, easier to find water... But there still would be a number of wild animals that would become problematic: Wolves, definently. Animals escaped from zoos and forming small breeding populations that could eventually become dangerous (bears, lions, tigers, etc...) Nothing an army couldn't put down... but still dangerous to small groups.

I think We'll start very close to the collapse (Update zero being the Change.)

 

[Dachs]

Kraz isn't your inevitable reboot of DaNES II technically fanfiction?

More of a shared universe, really.

 

[Starlife]

I'm thinking of running it with a turn per season (with the variations in food production that that would do.)

yes, nature WOULD be nice on the whole: easier to produce food, easier to find water... But there still would be a number of wild animals that would become problematic: Wolves, definently. Animals escaped from zoos and forming small breeding populations that could eventually become dangerous (bears, lions, tigers, etc...) Nothing an army couldn't put down... but still dangerous to small groups.

I think We'll start very close to the collapse (Update zero being the Change.)

Hey thomas: this sounds pretty cool. I may have missed it somewhere, but what kind of factions would players control?

 

[thomas.berubeg]

Survivor groups: Villages, lucky refugees, military groups, etc... when I have the thread, there'll be a list for the kind of faction you are, the kind of settlement, and how your leader is.

 

[Starlife]

I read the wiki for this universe and saw that some Native American tribes become stronger once again - i.e. the Sioux. Will some of these kinds of factions be present? I think I also read that the Haida launched slave runs on the west coast.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

to be different from all the other post-apocalyptic works, I'm going to set this in the British Isles.

(but, yes, theoretically, that kind of faction (nomadic) would be available.)

 

[Starlife]

to be different from all the other post-apocalyptic works, I'm going to set this in the British Isles.

(but, yes, theoretically, that kind of faction (nomadic) would be available.)

Cool.

 

[Northen Wolf]

I'm thinking of running it with a turn per season (with the variations in food production that that would do.)

yes, nature WOULD be nice on the whole: easier to produce food, easier to find water... But there still would be a number of wild animals that would become problematic: Wolves, definently. Animals escaped from zoos and forming small breeding populations that could eventually become dangerous (bears, lions, tigers, etc...) Nothing an army couldn't put down... but still dangerous to small groups.

I think We'll start very close to the collapse (Update zero being the Change.)

I would rather start it off as a new generation, rather than old. This would give wild animals time to gain some ground, a lot of knowledge to be forgotten. Plenty of time for many Civilians starve, get killed or tortured to death. It'd also lower "governmental" influence on things (government will still probably control the army and quite a bit of towns).

 

[Kozmos]

to be different from all the other post-apocalyptic works, I'm going to set this in the British Isles.\

May I venture a lol here?

 

[thomas.berubeg]

heh. you may (I know, I know... it's just that britain is a BIT off the beaten track.)

 

[SKILORD]

I like the idea of setting it in Europe A LOT.

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I know we're done talking about fanfic here, I understand that any life that was left in that conversation was bludgeoned out of it by me with an overthought and overwordy post. But if I may be forgiven for beating a dead horse there was one final point that I felt was very important.

When I started NESing, these threads were located in the Civ 3 Stories forum, which was the forum I always used to hang out in and in which many of us hung out. In fact the writing I did there during my teens was formative and taught me a lot. The point I am trying to make was that at the time many of us were and to this day many of us still are writing fanfic for the civilization series, we dressed it up all pretty and we had an openended enough basis that it isn't as monotonous as others, but at the end of the day it's fanfic. I mean, it just doesn't seem right badmouthing fanfic in a forum that is an offshoot of a fanfic forum.

 

[Starlife]

Yeah, just the British Isles might get kind of crowded. Depends on how many people are playing, though. Also depends on how fast the NES moves. But being able to venture into Europe would be nice. Speaking of which, I'll be venturing into Europe a week from tomorrow. Maybe I'll see LDi or vruchten and won't even know it. Frightening.

 

[Kal'thzar]

to be different from all the other post-apocalyptic works, I'm going to set this in the British Isles.

(but, yes, theoretically, that kind of faction (nomadic) would be available.)

Having just played a bit much fallout I'm interested.

 

[nutranurse]

to be different from all the other post-apocalyptic works, I'm going to set this in the British Isles.

(but, yes, theoretically, that kind of faction (nomadic) would be available.)

:C ibeerrrriiiia. But fine, either way I'm interested.

How ruined are the cities? We talking vines and such growing everywhere or just empty cities that have been thoroughly looted?

 

[thomas.berubeg]

That depends on whether I start the game right after the change, or a bit further in... Opinions?

Edit: and All of Europe could be done, I suppose...


Edit 2: should we move this to the New NES discussion thread?

 

[Starlife]

A bit further in!! I want ruins.

And thomas, I can make a map for you, if you would like. (that you can easily update yourself)