While We Wait: Boredom Strikes Back

[thomas.berubeg]

The thing with that, though, is that, once a few years are in, factions would have no issues with food production, no real issue surviving...

 

[nutranurse]

Well I guess how long after the change depends on how ruined we want the cities to be. Do we want crumbling or do we want empty? And I guess if we do it later we can focus more so on rebuilding the world rather than surviving?

 

[Starlife]

Aye, good point there. Survival or re-building... both sound fun. As you all know, I'm partial to building.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

Yeah...

I like surviving, then rebuilding, though.

 

[Starlife]

Sounds awesome. Will there be cannibals?

 

[thomas.berubeg]

I'm on NES chat now, if anyone wants to talk.

 

[Kraznaya]

false. If an author feels threatened by fanfic then he needs to work harder to put his own stories on a higher literary plane than fanfic and ignoring the non-threat represented by fanfic. You talk like it's music piracy when it's more like low-quality bands playing covers.

Everyone loves putting words into people's mouths these days, don't they? When did I equate writing fanfiction with music piracy (If anything, piracy is a much better practice, because at least you're not resigning yourself to an inferior product with your copyright infringement)? I said that some authors were adamantly against fanfiction because, in legal terms, they saw it as copyright infringement. In layman's terms? Well, the author believes that the universe that they spent the sum of their efforts creating and popularizing should be protected from different and objectively incorrect interpretations in print.

And the whole metaphor of low-quality bands playing covers is exactly why fanfiction shouldn't be encouraged. Not only is it an infringement on the original author and universe, it's limiting the creativity and expression of the fanfiction writers because they are writing a stunted and limited form of writing, where reliance upon plagiarizing a different universe becomes a crutch.

Also, everyone needs their get their goddamn censorship martyr complex out of their heads. Since when is declaring something is inferior/shouldn't be encouraged equal to saying it should be banned?

Kraz isn't your inevitable reboot of DaNES II technically fanfiction?

Yes, the kind of fanfiction where the proprietary author decides his original work wasn't lucid enough, partially rewrites it, and then hands off to a friend to continue while he pursues authoring other work for a different project.

 

[Luckymoose]

That said, fanfiction is pretty weak as a literary medium. It's like, some people don't have the creativity to achieve idea genesis or something.

Yes, the kind of fanfiction where the proprietary author decides his original work wasn't lucid enough, partially rewrites it, and then hands off to a friend to continue while he pursues authoring other work for a different project.

I rest my case.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

He's got you there Kraz.

 

[Kraznaya]

I rest my case.

I'm asian, dude. I'm not trying to put myself out there for creative writing awards, nor is arbitrating a game trying to create a literary medium.

Also, many of the ways in which fanfics are problematic, as aforementioned (lack of correspondence with original author leads to stunted development against the wishes of the original author), are completely irrelevant to the idea genesis of this work, which by the way, isn't comparable anyway.

 

[Kentharu]

Can we move on now? This discussion seems a bit dead at this point.

Plus, its fanfic, who cares?

(note: I don't care about people who care about fanfic)

 

[Angst]

Fourth exam for me is coming up - it's an oral presentation in social studies, which I prepared for yesterday. My disposition is horrible, but I'm good at it. (Thank you for this CFC!) I'll post in here how it went, I just have to went different places. (My internet homes, Facebook and the CFC forum are the better places to start.)

I am not sure what it will mean about CreepiNES right now. I have seven exams after this one. But I assume I will soon have time for it. You guys have no idea how great your stories are.

 

[SKILORD]

I'm just saying that honestly, this is more or less a fanfic forum. It's a mixed bag fanfic forum, you never know what sort of fanfic it's gonna be, could be heroes fanfic, could be some game based off a fantasy/sci fi realm or book someone read once. There's a ton of fanfic here, which makes sense since this forum derives from the Civilization 3 fanfic forum.

I don't take it personal, you can call my writing crap all day and it won't bother me (people do it), but to get on a fanfic forum and say that fanfic sucks seems to me a little crass. There are plenty of fine writers here and they shouldn't be penalized or thought less of for not custom crafting every environment, or even for opting to use a setting that a broad base of people already has knowledge of.

And all those reasons you listed why fanfic doesn't matter, they are correct, but they are the reasons people like you and the "authors" shouldn't care, not a reason why the genre should be considered objectively inferior. It's silly, as a finished product it's a little meaningless, it has nothing really at all to do with the ( ) "original author's intentions" ( and again, to make sure we are all perfectly clear on how ridiculous of a concept that is, ) but as a journey, as a process of learning things about writing, it is fine and people who write fanfic deserve our support as much as anyone else. If you're gonna get all caught up on who's on the NYT Bestseller list then you're gonna read a bunch of crap, in fact I guaruntee you you will find a higher density of BS writing on the NYT bestseller list than you will find in virtually any fanfic forum.

And I'm done, fanfic taught me a lot, I owe it to fanfic to defend it, but I'm done with this conversation. I find your generalizations odious.

And where in the I Ching (I assume it's in the I Ching since I looked through Art of War) does it say Asians don't write good? Hating on Asian literature is way worse than hating on fanfic. Don't be racist against yourself. If you don't write well then that's fine, but it's a personal thing and you shouldn't involve the entire Joy Luck Club.

 

[Yui108]

does it say Asians don't write good?

nice writing

 

[Tee Kay]

Lasist!

 

[SKILORD]

nice writing

As long as I made somebody smile.

 

[Luckymoose]

I'm just saying that honestly, this is more or less a fanfic forum. It's a mixed bag fanfic forum, you never know what sort of fanfic it's gonna be, could be heroes fanfic

I hope you mean the superhero genre and not the show.

 

[Masada]

I'm just saying that honestly, this is more or less a fanfic forum.

Yeah, no.

It's a mixed bag fanfic forum, you never know what sort of fanfic it's gonna be, could be heroes fanfic, could be some game based off a fantasy/sci fi realm or book someone read once.

Yeah, no. If there's a book that does that let me know.

There's a ton of fanfic here, which makes sense since this forum derives from the Civilization 3 fanfic forum.

There's a ton more original content...

I don't take it personal, you can call my writing crap all day and it won't bother me (people do it), but to get on a fanfic forum and say that fanfic sucks seems to me a little crass.

Conflating the tons of original content present here with fan fiction is crass.

There are plenty of fine writers here and they shouldn't be penalized or thought less of for not custom crafting every environment, or even for opting to use a setting that a broad base of people already has knowledge of.

You weren't just doing that by assuming that peeps are not crafting their environments or settings?

And all those reasons you listed why fanfic doesn't matter, they are correct, but they are the reasons people like you and the "authors" shouldn't care, not a reason why the genre should be considered objectively inferior.

Er, right. So I shouldn't have standards?

It's silly, as a finished product it's a little meaningless, it has nothing really at all to do with the ( ) "original author's intentions" ( and again, to make sure we are all perfectly clear on how ridiculous of a concept that is

Er, I think there's an argument missing between authorial intention and its supposed ridiculousness. I mean, I might just be ignorant but that's not really an argument... just a groundless assertion.

but as a journey, as a process of learning things about writing, it is fine and people who write fanfic deserve our support as much as anyone else.

So it isn't an end in itself but a process towards a higher end - original content? Stop making ma' arguments for me.

If you're gonna get all caught up on who's on the NYT Bestseller list then you're gonna read a bunch of crap, in fact I guaruntee you you will find a higher density of BS writing on the NYT bestseller list than you will find in virtually any fanfic forum.

...we're trying to write NYT bestsellers? That's news to moi. I'd like to think I was above Dan Brown... or SKILORD. More a positive review in the Times Literary Review perhaps?

And I'm done, fanfic taught me a lot, I owe it to fanfic to defend it, but I'm done with this conversation. I find your generalizations odious.

It didn't seemingly. You’re doing a piss-poor job of doing that. And this conversation was done with you a long time ago. Furthermore, cast not the first stone lest...

 

[Starlife]

Writing on this forum actually assists me in my own recreational creative writing. I'm not talking about themes or ideas, but moreso the act of writing which breeds the ritual. A NES is also a game, and to that effect, it need not be this amazingly unique world or setting to write stories within. In fact, the saying 'write what you know' comes to mind here. If each NES had an entirely unique setting, it would alienate some and prevent people from pooling their collective knowledge on a subject or theme.

A good writer is a good writer, and a good story is a good story. To me the separation between fiction and fanfiction is nonexistent, especially in this day in age, when absolutely nothing is truly original. Originality is dead. Accept it, and you move into a new area of struggling to write well instead of struggling to write new.

 

[SKILORD]

There's a book about which people get extremely worked up about authorial intention. They have a number of different churches on the subject and are frequently bitter about each other's interpretations. And a living author's intention or interpretation is no more valid than that of any reader.

If you take the words fanfic as an insult I can't change that, feel however you want, but "fan fiction" and "originality" are not mutually exclusive. That gets to the preceding point about interpretation and intention which I do not think that you grasp, which is fine, but there is still plenty of shared territory.

Writing NYT bestsellers? I doubt that, since I'm on a forum. *content censor* commodification. *content censor* getting credit, I don't use my real name or even my GD pen name here, I write to learn about writing. I write here because it is one of the few places where I've found compelling prompts and structure to work on stories and storytelling, also momentum since I've been here a decade. And so I put up with the crap.