Who is the most nationalistic group on the Forums?

Which nationality in CFC is the most nationalistic?

  • Poland

    Votes: 157 34.6%
  • USA! USA!

    Votes: 166 36.6%
  • Australia, Summer bay as capital city

    Votes: 4 0.9%
  • Rule Brittania

    Votes: 21 4.6%
  • Lucky and Carming Irish

    Votes: 5 1.1%
  • Bella Italia

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • That Vietnamese kid

    Votes: 15 3.3%
  • The Oranje mafia

    Votes: 14 3.1%
  • Hoo aboot Canada?

    Votes: 31 6.8%
  • A.N.Other

    Votes: 38 8.4%

  • Total voters
    454
The true aryans came from Iran. When the ice age ended we migrated into Europe. The people of Iran are persians and arabs with a few exceptions there are no real aryans left there.

No. These same Aryans who migrated from Iraq/Iran at the end of the Ice Age moved around to the Ukraine, and some settled there (the Scythians), some moved through the Caucasus (Hurrians/Hittites), and some moved around the Caspian sea through Central Asia and towards India/Iran as the Scythians, Medes and Persians in Central Asia and Persia, and the Aryans in India. They arrived back in Iran around about 800BC, so not actually that long ago :)

Although you would be right in saying that in Central Asia it would be hard to find any Aryans, because the Scythians were pretty much wiped out by the Turks.

I have an interest in this stuff :)

@Peng Qi: We have a very similar Political Compass to each other! :)
 
Haha 'that Vietnamese Kid' :D

yea, thats me.


on Aryans:

as i understand it, there are a few different theories that locate the origins of the Indo-Europeans. These are:

1. Anatolia/Causacus Mts.
2. Somewhere in Russia
3. Persia
4. India
5. Atlantis.
 
Umm, how many real Poles are here? :crazyeye:
Going by the post count alone, I'd say upwards of 2,000. Which sort of shows my response to the poll. ;)

The true aryans came from Iran. When the ice age ended we migrated into Europe. The people of Iran are persians and arabs with a few exceptions there are no real aryans left there.
Actually, Iranians call themselves "Aryans" (or at least the Persian language equivalent). "Persia" is just the western name for the country, it was never actually used by the Persians themselves. "Iran" actually translates as "Land of the Aryans".
This gives more information on the subject.
 
But we all evolved from Apes in afrika so it matters nought.
 
Which alliance do you mean? All these WWI-II alliances were just temporary unions, which were degraded as soon as the goal was reached. Domination victory in Civ 4 terms is to control not less than 66% of world territory and have not less than <any another civ populaton +25%>. To control = either capture it or vassalize. Defense pact is not enough.

Im pretty sure the western countries would stick together in case of a major happening, unless someone like Bush starts a crusade on China ( not very realistic). There is still a sense of solidarity between then allied countries if things go bad enough Im sure. The way U.S. interfered in South America, consider them vassalised in Civ4 terms. Africa, same thing - we are economically overpowering them and taking their resources for a cent. Consider most of former Soviet unsettled land. Takes us pretty close eh :eek:
To be very boring, it was in context of the necessity of the massive military forces being waaaay exaggerated as defensive/deterrent compared to eventual threats.

Another way to win is to start heavy nuking, 1) spoil all fertile land, 2) kill EVERYONE except one President (or Bin Laden, if you prefer this option) and this President (or Bin Laden) will be a domination winner! :crazyeye:

You mean Bin Laden of the barbarian state? They don't even have a city anymore and they used up most of their resources. They only have Grenadiers and Riflemen left. Maybe some Cruise Missile at best.
 
That's why I am saying USA-sponsored Afghan reforms made the situation worse than it was in 2001, I see facts and I see results - by exporting heroin, each year they are killing much more Western, Asian and Russian people than it was killed in 11 Sep.
But they're not killing anyone. Those people are killing themselves. What you're saying is like claiming that the Colt firearms company has killed millions of people.
You could argue that they fall into it by choice and there is a little truth in it, however Im pretty sure alot of people would not be declared as "psychologically sane" when they do these decisions. Judging people over decisions made in irrational states of mind such as desperation, or just clinical mental disorders that often follow traumatic experiences is not cynical, it is beyond cynism. It is a lack of respect for the value of human life.
I have known such people very well; I was such a person until relatively recently. I had no direction or desire to do anything. But I never faltered once. I've never turned to drugs or alcohol (in any quantity). This makes it difficult for me to have a significant degree of respect for anyone who is in a similar situation and shows weakness in that way.
I do not think you are a nazi by and means, that is very harsh. I just disagree strongly with what you are saying.
Thank you. I do not appreciate being accused of being a Nazi, as I would never harm anyone unless they were actively attempting to harm someone else, and harbor no ill will toward any race of people.
There are no rogue states or terrorist organizations in the world capable of even remotely threatening the major states in the world.
Then how did September 11th happen? The train bombing in India? The terror attack in Spain?
What the Bush-cartel have created with their war-mongering and neo-arms race is just that the rest of the world now also starts producing more weapons and maintant larger armies.
We're not concerned with sovereign states anymore (except for Iran and North Korea). We're much more concerned with luring terrorists out of their holes and fighting them in their own territory (which is what we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan). Why waste all that time sneaking into the United States to fly planes into things when there are Americans in your back door you can fight?
America with allies control somewhere between two thirds to three quarters of the worlds armed forces. Our alliance allready won domination victory decades ago and we are still building armies instead of helping the poor and exploited citizens of the world. Im ashamed of our politicians in the western world.
It's difficult to provide food to everyone since there are still so many corrupt dictators who would take it for themselves and sell it. Honestly, I have more of a problem with the massive healthcare spending than the military spending. Sure, we could spend $20,000/year to keep someone who's basically dead already on life support...or we could spend that money to feed thousands of people. We could spend billions on cancer research, a disease that only afflicts most people after they have led full lives, or we could probably feed every starving man, woman, and child on the planet with that money and allow some people who would starve to death at a very young age to live full lives themselves.

The fact of the matter is that every day, people make choices to spend money on themselves and things that directly affect themselves instead of spending it on much, much cheaper things that could literally save a person's life. This is why I'm such a cynic. Nobody is innocent. George Bush isn't doing anything that we all aren't also guilty of.
 
Germany isn't even an option ;)?
 
Going by the post count alone, I'd say upwards of 2,000. Which sort of shows my response to the poll. ;)


Actually, Iranians call themselves "Aryans" (or at least the Persian language equivalent). "Persia" is just the western name for the country, it was never actually used by the Persians themselves. "Iran" actually translates as "Land of the Aryans".
This gives more information on the subject.

The people in Iran are indeed aryan. But for the past thousand years other ethnic groups, primarily arabs have been taking over. Therefore there are today very few true aryans in Iran. That is why I don't think of it as an aryan nation anymore.

But we all evolved from Apes in afrika so it matters nought.

True, going way back we evolved from one cell organisms. We split from the African races long ago. we have evolved away from them, and they have also evolved since we split.
 
It's a toss between Polish and USAnians.

Both are
- pretty loud and
- pretty hilarious with their inability to take hits.
But I think that the USAnians excell in the former, while the Polish do awesomely in the latter.

I vote for the USAnians
 
Skallben:

Originally Posted by alex sword
Which alliance do you mean? All these WWI-II alliances were just temporary unions, which were degraded as soon as the goal was reached. Domination victory in Civ 4 terms is to control not less than 66% of world territory and have not less than <any another civ populaton +25%>. To control = either capture it or vassalize. Defense pact is not enough.
Im pretty sure the western countries would stick together in case of a major happening, unless someone like Bush starts a crusade on China ( not very realistic). There is still a sense of solidarity between then allied countries if things go bad enough Im sure. The way U.S. interfered in South America, consider them vassalised in Civ4 terms. Africa, same thing - we are economically overpowering them and taking their resources for a cent.

The fact is - NATO does not satisfy to domination win per Civ 4 rules.

Another fact is - Western countries are ones who started two world wars within preceding 100 years (which is nothing from history perspective). I think you are too optimistic thinking Western countries as a whole.

Third fact is about Africa... Do you know China came in Africa with their own strategic interests. Check for example this article - http://www.cfr.org/publication/8436/ . Little piece from the article:
China was able to do so because western companies, in particular American and Canadian firms, were pressured to withdraw because of Sudan&#8217;s civil war and charges of both persecution and use of slavery against the people of the south, including in the region of oil production. Sudan represents the clearest example of how China comes to Africa with what one analyst has called the &#8220;complete package:&#8221; money, technical expertise, and the influence in such bodies as the UN Security Council to protect the host country from international sanctions.


Pend Qi:
Originally Posted by alex sword
That's why I am saying USA-sponsored Afghan reforms made the situation worse than it was in 2001, I see facts and I see results - by exporting heroin, each year they are killing much more Western, Asian and Russian people than it was killed in 11 Sep.
But they're not killing anyone. Those people are killing themselves. What you're saying is like claiming that the Colt firearms company has killed millions of people.

The key difference between Colt and heroin is that
1) heroin is *illegal* per USA laws;
2) its production is skyrocketing on territories USA took responsibility for and established brand-new democracy there;
3) the opium/heroin is exported not only to USA (if so I would say this is USA business not mine) but to other countries as well - including mine.

What is a difference between former Taliban government who allowed Al-Qaida bases and between current USA-sponsored Afghanistan government who allowed opium plantations?

I don't think there is any difference. They both are dangerous from the mankind point of view.
 
Pend Qi:
The key difference between Colt and heroin is that
1) heroin is *illegal* per USA laws;
2) its production is skyrocketing on territories USA took responsibility for and established brand-new democracy there;
3) the opium/heroin is exported not only to USA (if so I would say this is USA business not mine) but to other countries as well - including mine.
1) Assault rifles are illegal in most states, and Colt makes those.
2) The number of assault rifles in areas the USA took responsibility for have increased dramatically.
3) Colt sells to anyone who has the money.
 
Pend Qi: Ok. If we look at heroin from business standpoint, you are right - heroin is great trade good. Let's wait for next elections and see what USA citizens think about this. I sincerely believe - want to believe - that majority of USA thinks differently from you.
 
Pend Qi: Ok. If we look at heroin from business standpoint, you are right - heroin is great trade good. Let's wait for next elections and see what USA citizens think about this. I sincerely believe - want to believe - that majority of USA thinks differently from you.
The majority of the USA has no idea that it's happening. Besides, I never said it was a good trade good and therefore it's OK, I'm just saying that it's really silly to claim that opium growers are killing anyone.
 
Yes, people might not have seen all the facts, and perhaps they don't fully understand impotence of opium-based bastardized democracies created in Middle Asia. But I hope even what they've seen is enough. For example, today NY Times article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/04/w...l?_r=3&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

But the letters, combined with Mr. Bush&#8217;s comments, suggest confusion within the administration about what quickly proved to be a decision with explosive repercussions.

Let's wait and see how many votes Respublicans get...
 
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oh and if that wasn't enough please feel free to look at my avive, sig and title.
 
Oh noes! Some guy nobody's ever heard of said something bad about Bush! Whatever shall we do?

You non-Americans who are rooting for the Dems to win in '08 are going to be so very disappointed when you find out that the left-wing whiners and complainers on the internet and in the liberal media make a disproportionately large amount of noise for their relatively small percentage of the American population. President Bush has a significantly higher approval rating right now than the Democrat-led Congress does.
 
Some guy nobody's ever heard of said ...

It was said by a newspaper many people heard of (and many people read it).

Anyway, now we are talking about nothing. Sure, Mr.Bush may be still popular, you know better, I know very little about USA. My point only is that I *hope* that majority of citizens of this great country don't appreciate the way how democracy was established and which sort of democracy was established in these Middle Asia countries. And I *hope* that this majority is able to change government priorities so that world-wide opium plantations will be eliminated in those countries USA took responsibility for.
 
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