Why didn't anyone invite me? / Clinton: VRWC is back!

[.Shane.]

You know you sound like a complete and total jackass when you talk like that.

I genuinely can't believe people take you seriously.

How is it any different than the partisan comments you made in your OP? At least PP's funnier.

sidenote: Your Botha avatar looks a lot like Tony Campolo.

 

[classical_hero]

So that's what your name really means?

I am surprised you did not know that.

 

[Phlegmak]

You know you sound like a complete and total jackass when you talk like that.

I genuinely can't believe people take you seriously.

Are you kidding? He's hilarious.

Regarding the opening post:

Doesn't conspiracy connote secrecy? What's the word for an overt conspiracy -- one with no secrecy?

 

[IglooDame]

Well let's see:

Valerie Plame
Jack Abramoff
Mark Foley coverup
Defending KBR's pricegouging
Tom DeLay money laundering
New Hampshire phone jamming
Paying pundits millions of dollars to support administration initiatives
Fake video news releases

Nice list, but none of those include her original contention of VRWC - that they're all out to get her husband, that Republicans were only seizing on MonicaGate because they hate Bill and not because they really do think that getting a BJ in the Oval Office from someone who doesn't happen to be your wife and lying about it under oath and to the country is wrong. That some Republican operatives and politicians happen to be fracking dirtbags themselves is hardly evidence of a Conspiracy.

 

[bhsup]

So that's what your name really means?

Indeed! I am agent 001 (see my email in my profile!), licenced to kill.

hardly evidence of a Conspiracy.

That's because we're darned good at what we do... no proof, ever.

 

[Bill3000]

Nice list, but none of those include her original contention of VRWC - that they're all out to get her husband, that Republicans were only seizing on MonicaGate because they hate Bill and not because they really do think that getting a BJ in the Oval Office from someone who doesn't happen to be your wife and lying about it under oath and to the country is wrong. That some Republican operatives and politicians happen to be fracking dirtbags themselves is hardly evidence of a Conspiracy.

Wikipedia says this, actually:

Clinton allies identify billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife as a key financier of this conspiracy. The First Lady's allegations of a conspiracy were denied by independent counsel Kenneth Starr, the target of much of Hillary Clinton's criticism. [citation needed] It was also derided by many conservatives who claimed they found the idea of an actual conspiracy to be laughable. [citation needed] They claimed vindication when President Clinton ultimately admitted to having an "improper physical relationship" with Lewinsky.[citation needed]David Brock, a conservative turned liberal pundit, has said that there was, in fact, an effort to dredge up scandals against Clinton, which he had been party to. He documented this in his mea culpa, Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative' it was called the Arkansas Project. He commented in an interview on The Daily Show that Hillary Clinton was essentially correct but wrong in the idea that it was "vast," saying it was actually a relatively small group. Adam Curtis also discusses these concepts in his documentary series The Power of Nightmares.

- Wiki, [wiki]VRWC[/wiki]

There's no way I am ever going to defend the term - it's blatently misleading, political pandering, etc. and false to begin with, but, well - just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they arn't really out to get you.

[wiki]Arkansas Project[/wiki]

Such a "conspiracy", assuming that it is true, would be not much different than the various political stuff that the Free Republic does.

 

[Mise]

Why oh why do the Dems do this to themselves...

 

[JollyRoger]

Why oh why do the Dems do this to themselves...

It's a VRWC.

 

[Chandrasekhar]

It's a VRWC.

 

[JollyRoger]

Maybe getting Sununu elected in 2002 was a VLWC:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070314/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/gonzales_prosecutors

Sen. John Sununu of New Hampshire on Wednesday became the first Republican in Congress to call for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' dismissal, hours after President Bush expressed confidence in his embattled Cabinet officer.

"I think the president should replace him," Sununu said in an interview with The Associated Press.

He's even using the librul AP to bash Bush & Abu G

 

[.Shane.]

....that Republicans were only seizing on MonicaGate because they hate Bill and not because they really do think that getting a BJ in the Oval Office from someone who doesn't happen to be your wife and lying about it under oath and to the country is wrong.

Given the consequent (and parallel) behavior of many of those same Republicans, I'd say that this is correct.

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

Nice list, but none of those include her original contention of VRWC - that they're all out to get her husband

Thanks, you did remind me of that bullfeathers documentary which tried to pin 9-11 on him. Same guys who pulled SBVT iirc.

We can add that to the list, plus SBVT (how did I ever forget it?).

The VRWC theory only alleges that there are a lot of wealthy Republicans giving money to a lot of shadowy groups whose sole purpose is to twist, spin, lie and smear. Given the feting of these groups by Republican leaders themselves this is hardly a conspiracy. It's pretty out in the open these days.

The Clinton scandal was only the first foray of this political machine into the fray of spin. But consider: it produced celebrities and "news sources" (Ann Coulter and Matt Drudge would be nobodies otherwise). It paved the way for more bullcrap fabricated scandals like the SwiftBoats and the "controversy" over global warming (who do you think runs the American Enterprise Institute?). etc.

 

[MobBoss]

Hilly Clinton complaining about the VRWC is rather like the KGB complaining about the CIA. Most likely there is conspiracy and counter-conspiracy from both sides of the aisle.

 

[JollyRoger]

Hilly Clinton complaining about the VRWC is rather like the KGB complaining about the CIA. Most likely there is conspiracy and counter-conspiracy from both sides of the aisle.

I'm convinced that she is part of the VRWC. I just hope VCRWAgent is handling his internship ok.

 

[MobBoss]

I'm convinced that she is part of the VRWC. I just hope VCRWAgent is handling his internship ok.

I grew up under the Clinton Governorship of Arkansas and then Hillary Rodham. There is nothing 'right wing' about either of them what-so-ever. They are 'clinton wing' only and will change their spots accordingly to fit their needs.

 

[JollyRoger]

I grew up under the Clinton Governorship of Arkansas and then Hillary Rodham. There is nothing 'right wing' about either of them what-so-ever. They are 'clinton wing' only and will change their spots accordingly to fit their needs.

Being a native of Texas, I think I can see where you are coming from.