Why we hate Hillary

[JohnRM]

Man, you're so hostile. Feel free to ignore my posts instead of just replying to be rude: it would probably be a better strategy.

You really think that she wants to tax 3/4 of income away? You really think that she's stupid enough to think that's a viable economic policy?

I heard her say it. I don't have to think. I have her own stated inclinations.

 

[Stewbert 08]

Because I don't like our presidential candidates basically quoting Marx when referring to how she will want to run the country

Sigh.... for the quadrillionth time this thread....

That's why all my support is behind Ron Paul, one of the few politicians who actually takes a stand on an issue and sticks with it, and refers to the supreme law of the land (the Constitution) when determining how our country can best be run.

Too late dude, Ron Paul is already President of the only country he'll ever be President of. I speak of MySpace.

But seriously - a woman's touch? What, so we can fight a more sensitive and caring war on terror? Face down Ahmadinejad with cookies and milk? I don't have a problem with a woman being President, but she'd have to be tough as many man

This amuses me and pisses me off at the same time.

Did your parents really teach you that the President is Rambo? He doesn't personally fight the war on terror dude. He sits at his desk and signs crap. You can pretend that it takes enormous moral courage to declare war on another country but I don't think anyone else is fooled. Judging by all those sacrifices Bush has asked us to make, and all those funerals he's visited, and all those protests his handlers let him see, I'm pretty sure he's reaaaally feeling the costs of the war he started.

The last President who felt his life was personally at stake in a conflict was probably JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis. That's courage.

Bush bombing Iraq or Clinton bombing Kosovo or Bush I bombing Iraq or Reagan bombing Libya or Nixon bombing Cambodia.... you so sure a woman couldn't have done any of that? Cuz it doesn't take balls to tell people to bomb a country.

Hillary is the only Dem candidate who has yet to call her vote for the war a mistake.

I heard her say it. I don't have to think. I have her own stated inclinations.

I heard Mitt Romney admit he was gay, TOO BAD THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA NEVAR REPORTED IT!

 

[Elrohir]

Stewbeart - can you please quote peoples names when you quote them, so that we know who said what? (It's also easier to find and respond to what you've said, if you're so inclined. I'm not.) Thanks.

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

Sigh.... for the quadrillionth time this thread....

*Sigh* Did I say she quoted Marx? No, I said she made references to a Marxist mindset of income redistribution. Taking taxes from the upper class to give them out to the poor is advocating a form of socialist theory. While she may have only been referring to repealing the tax cuts for the upper class in that speech, don't be fooled that she would stop there. All politicians have an end goal in mind and have to make steps there. A nation under Hilary Clinton would be less capitalist than it is now.

Too late dude, Ron Paul is already President of the only country he'll ever be President of. I speak of MySpace.

Momentum is still building for his campaign, and dark horse candidates have won before. Regardless of whether he wins or not you have to admit he is a break from the standard mold of politicians, a principled man who stands by his beliefs and doesn't pander just to garner a couple of extra supporters. People support Ron Paul because he stands by what he says, Hilary Clinton changes her views to gain supporters.

 

[Stewbert 08]

But seriously - a woman's touch? What, so we can fight a more sensitive and caring war on terror? Face down Ahmadinejad with cookies and milk? I don't have a problem with a woman being President, but she'd have to be tough as many man

This amuses me and pisses me off at the same time.

Did your parents really teach you that the President is Rambo? He doesn't personally fight the war on terror dude. He sits at his desk and signs crap. You can pretend that it takes enormous moral courage to declare war on another country but I don't think anyone else is fooled. Judging by all those sacrifices Bush has asked us to make, and all those funerals he's visited, and all those protests his handlers let him see, I'm pretty sure he's reaaaally feeling the costs of the war he started.

The last President who felt his life was personally at stake in a conflict was probably JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis. That's courage.

Bush bombing Iraq or Clinton bombing Kosovo or Bush I bombing Iraq or Reagan bombing Libya or Nixon bombing Cambodia.... you so sure a woman couldn't have done any of that? Cuz it doesn't take balls to tell people to bomb a country.

Hillary is the only Dem candidate who has yet to call her vote for the war a mistake.

respond to what you've said, if you're so inclined. I'm not.

Oh wait so I shouldn't have gone to that trouble?

Thanks.

No prob.

 

[.Shane.]

Good lord, so we have Hillary hate and "OMG SHE HAS A VAGINA" hate bigotry running rampant here.

Wow.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Actually, I don't think that was what Elrohir was saying. He was just responding to Bast's claim that the opposite was the case. Big difference.

 

[Amin001]

Good lord, so we have Hillary hate and "OMG SHE HAS A VAGINA" hate bigotry running rampant here.

Wow.

She has a vagina? Thats news to me buddy.

 

[Whomp]

Moderator Action: Cease the sexist talk in here now! I will not tolerate it and find it highly offensive.

 

[.Shane.]

She has a vagina? Thats news to me buddy.

This is what galls me. Seriously. I can understand not liking a politician. Hell, I've come to despise Bush. That said, I can't see the point in having a thread where you just insult and dump on the guy for no other point than to just dump on him.

This is why I think the blind hatred of Hillary is pathetic and, tbh, a bit disturbing. I think it does allow some people a mask to hide their misogyny behind. People who talk and think like this are almost sub-human to me. Blinded by hate, enraged simply by evoking a name.... This is probably indicative of more troubling personality issues.

I am coming to the conclusion, as evidenced by a couple posters in this thread, that the hatred of Hillary is linked to an unconscious fear or hatred of powerful women.

@Eran... good point, though I was replying to more the tenor of the thread, hence I didn't specifically quote Elrohir. But, I think your point (and by extension Elrohir's) is valid. What Bast is saying about a "woman's touch" is fallacious and almost as insulting to women as the crap Aneesh is peddling.

I wonder what the ratio will be of people who vote AGAINST Hillary because she's a women vs people who vote FOR her because she's a woman... assuming that's a choice we end up with.

I'd like to see this.

A Hillary/Obama ticket vs. a Powell/E. Dole (or Rice) ticket just so the haters and racists would flip out.

 

[Whomp]

I wonder what the ratio will be of people who vote AGAINST Hillary because she's a women vs people who vote FOR her because she's a woman... assuming that's a choice we end up with.

Actually, I find it sad as well. With that said I think a lot of voters vote on looks.

There's a lot of women who would never vote for Fred Thompson because he's an old man married to what looks like a young trophy wife (though she's pretty close to his age).

I wish people would stick to the issues, character and their capability to bridge the divide. This is where Hillary fails imo.

 

[North King]

b) However, it is the reverse in politics - women politicians tend to be either really good, or really bad. I am yet to see a "mediocre" woman leader.

This is where I don't follow. You haven't shown this, you haven't come close to showing it; you seem to be merely stating some sort of vague, unproven opinion.

 

[Amin001]

Im not being sexist nor are many people who are also against here

There is great reason to despise this woman.

Lets not try to make it a sexist issue when it isnt.

I dont like her because she is for game censorship and she is a socialist, among other reasons.

Oh lets not forget, she is a warmonger.

 

[North King]

Oh lets not forget, she is a warmonger.

Explain. Which war, exactly, was she mongering?

 

[Amin001]

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/19/AR2006011903220.html

Im sure you can just google the rest.

 

[North King]

As for the first, she went along with a then-popular war on the basis of faked information. I don't blame her for that; she made a mistake, and she's admitted it to be a mistake.

As for the second, I can't say I like that terribly, but sanctions against Iran are hardly all-out invasion.

 

[Miles Teg]

As for the first, she went along with a then-popular war on the basis of faked information. I don't blame her for that; she made a mistake, and she's admitted it to be a mistake.

Last I checked she said it was bad in hindsight, IE she didn't really make mistake, she was just misinformed. That is unsatisfactory.

 

[Adamb0mb]

I see lots of accusations of 'flip-flopping' but I don't know of any specific cases (besides the war in Iraq).

Anybody care to elaborate on this point?

 

[Fugitive Sisyphus]

To answer the question "Why we hate Hillary?" it might be helpful to ask the opposite question... "Why we like Hillary?" The reasons why some people like Hillary are the same reasons why others hate her.

 

[The Yankee]

I see lots of accusations of 'flip-flopping' but I don't know of any specific cases (besides the war in Iraq).

Anybody care to elaborate on this point?

She just withdrew that $5,000 per child bond that she proposed not that long ago. Though, I think that was more of a trial balloon for votes that got promptly shot down, I could see how someone could construe it to mean that she changes her positions on a dime.