johnhughthom
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Vote: NaziCow64
Zack Mafia IV: Birthday Bash [GAME THREAD]
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Yeah, because, you know, if I was a Nazi I would SO defend one of my teammates when there has been cries for their head for yonks. It isn't like I'd vote for him, oh no. It isn't like I've played Mafia for about a year now, so of course I haven't heard of bussing.
If you hadn't guessed, I am being sarcastic.
Anyway, I think that we should Vote: Kennigit as he has been acting muc more scummy than I, trying to distract us with a call for lynching power roles with no evidence. Mayor is the other guy we should lynch soon. When I turn out to be town, kill those two please.
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You clearly haven't heard of WIFOM either, Mr 64.
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After analysing the two previous vote phases I have come to the conclusion that Civcube is scummy when you take into account that Spaceman was mafia.
Vote: Civcube
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There's WIFOM and there is not doing something that is bloody stupid. Also, by admitting my defence is WIFOMy, you admit that your case is WIFOMy as well. This is almost as bad as the time I was lynched in Starcraft Mafia. If the case doesn't fit, you must aqut!
dragonprobably
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Abstain because I honestly believe we need to do it.
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You and mayor need to die.
JohannaK
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Agreed. No sane player with a bit of experience would, at this point, believe that abstaining is a way out.
johnhughthom
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Mayor does not need to die.
JohannaK
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MartinLuther does, though.
OK, so the setup appears to be there are (at least) two dangers to the town:
1) Someone goes round killing people
2) Two people are set to duel
Now, it could be that town players actually have control of one of these. For example 1) could be a vigilante. However, if they are, they're doing a pretty poor job. And given that we have nazis, I think we can suppose they're responsible for some killings. And 2) looks unlikely to be nazis, because topsecret just got killed (and duelled before). So I think the Nazis are nightkillers, with a third force (possibly a single person?) trying to kill everyone off (town and nazis alike).
There are also some town power roles (magician, sadly wogged, and the communists also appear to be so). I note also the "loyal to the town" variant as opposed to "vanilla townie".
Now, who to vote for? I notice topsecret indulged in bussing spaceman earlier (the night dumanios went down), which looks like an insurance scheme. Given spaceman only avoided tieing by one vote (although we know ties have strange results this game), that was a risky tactic as dumnios voters could have switched to spaceman late. So I doubt there was bussing by more than topsecret - other nazis would have voted dumnios. In particular, ninjacow took the vocal "save spaceman" line, which worked for several days and was completely daft (we'd built up good evidence from voting patterns which could only be used once we knew how spaceman flipped, so later his lynch was a no-brainer and ninja fought against it to the end). topsecret then hid in the anti-spaceman crowd. This was, either ninja or topsecret came out looking townie. A good plan. It only failed because topsecret got killed by the third party.
Lynch ninjacow now.
Mayor actually looks pretty good to me. I think it's pretty clear he was wrong with his advocating of abstension , but it wasn't a stupid argument as this *is* Zack mafia. And as soon as it was clear he was wrong, he admitted it. MartinLuther, on the other hand, looks pretty scummy for sticking with it.
1) Someone goes round killing people
2) Two people are set to duel
Now, it could be that town players actually have control of one of these. For example 1) could be a vigilante. However, if they are, they're doing a pretty poor job. And given that we have nazis, I think we can suppose they're responsible for some killings. And 2) looks unlikely to be nazis, because topsecret just got killed (and duelled before). So I think the Nazis are nightkillers, with a third force (possibly a single person?) trying to kill everyone off (town and nazis alike).
There are also some town power roles (magician, sadly wogged, and the communists also appear to be so). I note also the "loyal to the town" variant as opposed to "vanilla townie".
Now, who to vote for? I notice topsecret indulged in bussing spaceman earlier (the night dumanios went down), which looks like an insurance scheme. Given spaceman only avoided tieing by one vote (although we know ties have strange results this game), that was a risky tactic as dumnios voters could have switched to spaceman late. So I doubt there was bussing by more than topsecret - other nazis would have voted dumnios. In particular, ninjacow took the vocal "save spaceman" line, which worked for several days and was completely daft (we'd built up good evidence from voting patterns which could only be used once we knew how spaceman flipped, so later his lynch was a no-brainer and ninja fought against it to the end). topsecret then hid in the anti-spaceman crowd. This was, either ninja or topsecret came out looking townie. A good plan. It only failed because topsecret got killed by the third party.
Lynch ninjacow now.
Mayor actually looks pretty good to me. I think it's pretty clear he was wrong with his advocating of abstension , but it wasn't a stupid argument as this *is* Zack mafia. And as soon as it was clear he was wrong, he admitted it. MartinLuther, on the other hand, looks pretty scummy for sticking with it.
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Mayor is innocent.
JohannaK
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I've never supported the lynching of Mayor. Except when I supported ´Ninja, but that was because I think Martin should die. Mayor can be forgiven and, I'll take your word on ths one, JHT.
Kennigit's probably not a nazi - he was one of the few (along with JoanK, JHT and myself) who kept the "lynch spaceman" theme alive. And if he's not town, he knew spaceman was nazi (hence saying lynch spaceman, then himself - he knew he'd look good after spaceman went down).
Mayor looks innocent from behaviour in thread - pushed the abstention as long as it looked sensible, whereas mafia would have backed away earlier (realising not convincing others and drawing unfavourable attention) or later (keeping us confused - this is why martinluther looks scmmy).
JHT looks like the real deal. Clearly not nazi, and unless mayor is his scumbuddy, he'd have no reason to defend mayor if not genuine.
Ninjacow is uber-scummy as noted. MartinLuther suspicious. But I think the other major target should be mechaerik. He took a middle path between topsecret(who bussed) and ninjacow (who fought to save spaceman) on the spaceman lynch - basically, gave vague reasons for voting non-spaceman without great conviction, but only switched to spaceman on the final day (despite previously saying didn't know why he voted eg dumanios) when the outcome was no longer in doubt. Compare and contrast with civcube, the other condemmor of dumanios to save spaceman, who clearly realised his mistake after dumanios and joined the kill spaceman crusade.
So. From most suspicious to least, my top suspects are
ninjacow
mechaerik
martinluther
It's quite possible ninja and mechaerik are nazis and martinluther something else.
Mayor looks innocent from behaviour in thread - pushed the abstention as long as it looked sensible, whereas mafia would have backed away earlier (realising not convincing others and drawing unfavourable attention) or later (keeping us confused - this is why martinluther looks scmmy).
JHT looks like the real deal. Clearly not nazi, and unless mayor is his scumbuddy, he'd have no reason to defend mayor if not genuine.
Ninjacow is uber-scummy as noted. MartinLuther suspicious. But I think the other major target should be mechaerik. He took a middle path between topsecret(who bussed) and ninjacow (who fought to save spaceman) on the spaceman lynch - basically, gave vague reasons for voting non-spaceman without great conviction, but only switched to spaceman on the final day (despite previously saying didn't know why he voted eg dumanios) when the outcome was no longer in doubt. Compare and contrast with civcube, the other condemmor of dumanios to save spaceman, who clearly realised his mistake after dumanios and joined the kill spaceman crusade.
So. From most suspicious to least, my top suspects are
ninjacow
mechaerik
martinluther
It's quite possible ninja and mechaerik are nazis and martinluther something else.
We dead Nazis can talk too.
Would you like some info?
Spoiler The Answer :
So you say they'd all have voted in a block? I don't think they're tha noobish, one or two votes suffice to help a (counter-)bandwagon along in these situations.
That could've been his being a ????/communist and perhaps they knew he was a nazi?
