2020 US Election (Part One)

[Gori the Grey]

But does any of this excuse Trump's sins? It more like people are trying to divert attention from it.

That's the best anyone has ever proven able to do regarding Trump's sins.

 

[Old Hippy]

But does any of this excuse Trump's sins? It more like people are trying to divert attention from it.

does any of Trumps 'sins' divert attention from the Swamps corruption?...
"It more like people are trying to divert attention from it''... because that's what the MSM have spruiked for 2+ years
the question should not be how does a billionaire become President ... but how do members of Congress become multi millionaires?...

 

[rah]

THEY"RE BOTH BAD. and anyone that believe that Trump is as pure as snow is living in fantasy land.

 

[Gori the Grey]

the question should not be how does a billionaire become President

another question could be, "has a billionaire ever become president?"

 

[rah]

Maybe if we saw his tax returns we'd know.

 

[Old Hippy]

THEY"RE BOTH BAD. and anyone that believe that Trump is as pure as snow is living in fantasy land.

they are both bad... I understand that Trump is not ''Snow White" does not mean he is not out to Drain the Swamp being the new kid in town
Why are you so against Trump when you shout "THEY"RE BOTH BAD" shouldn't you apply the " It more like people are trying to divert attention from it.'' principle to the Swamp

 

[Gori the Grey]

does not mean he is not out to Drain the Swamp

Yes, Old Hippy, he is not out to drain the swamp. That was just a campaign rally chant.

The swamp is a problem. It should be drained. Trump will do nothing to do so.

It seems that you're putting a lot of stock in his claim that he means to. But again, that was just a rally chant.

 

[Berzerker]

Except again there is no wide scale effort on the Ukraine part to troll the american election thus far, and also I'm not against them looking into it if they do start doing so and Biden's son is involved. Steele was an investigator with legit credentials before all this, so his dossier took a serious note that, I know republicans don't respect, but obviously the FBI did.

Frankly I'm not against them looking into whether Biden broke any laws by doing that as well, and I support writing laws that would make that kind of action illegal in the future. It is still a markedly different beast than what the Trump campaign was accused of doing.

Carter Page wasn't trolling the election either. Thats the story about Steele the surveillance people gave the judge, it remains to be seen if the judge was told the extent of his job. So who was accusing the Trump campaign? The Clinton campaign. And who was 'investigating' it? The Obama administration.

it will not stop at the Ukraine...

Both Bernie and Mitt missed his point...that when it comes to corruption, China is no competition for the Dems

and Obama mocked Romney for calling Russia our main threat

 

[Old Hippy]

Maybe if we saw his tax returns we'd know.

But you did, just last week someone "leaked" 10 years of his tax returns ... apart from being a nothing burger it was another nail in the coffin for CNN's madcow conspiracy show

 

[Gori the Grey]

Well, those showed he'd lost a billion over ten years. And you figure you have to have more than a billion to lose a billion, so ok. But you don't have to necessarily have a full billion more than a billion to lose a billion. Moreover, remember, those ended in 1994. So he's had two decades more to lose, well, at that rate, at least two more billion. At some point all this losing of billions is going to leave him a non-billionaire.

 

[Estebonrober]

Carter Page wasn't trolling the election either. Thats the story about Steele the surveillance people gave the judge, it remains to be seen if the judge was told the extent of his job. So who was accusing the Trump campaign? The Clinton campaign. And who was 'investigating' it? The Obama administration.

Russians were, Page was in league with Russians. Trump has a long history with them too, thus the dossier had merit.

Calling the FBI "the Obama administration" is a real problem moving forward in US politics.

 

[Estebonrober]

it will not stop at the Ukraine...

people are already checking out the company set up by him and John Kerry's son
Bohai Harvest RST with direct links to the Bank of China and the Communist party... it deals in surveillance technology...
"All politics are personal"... ''China's economic growth is very much in the interest of the United states" Biden 2013

Former Vice President Joe Biden downplayed again the threat of China, saying the Chinese economy or its influence won’t overtake the U.S., reiterating his previous stance that China is not a competitor.

China not a competitor to his personal family ambitions
he was out again last week spruiking their ''good guy'' credentials


Both Bernie and Mitt missed his point...that when it comes to corruption, China is no competition for the Dems

Not a fan of Biden. You are not shaking me up or anything. I'm for investigating Biden if there is evidence of illegality, especially if it rivals the amount of apparent illegality the Trump campaign has generated. Just on the face of it, it doesn't appear any worse than 90% of the corporate kleptocratic crap that has been going on since the beginning of time. I don;t approve, but it doesn't seem traitorous per se.

 

[Old Hippy]

Yes, Old Hippy, he is not out to drain the swamp. That was just a campaign rally chant.

The swamp is a problem. It should be drained. Trump will do nothing to do so.

you seem to be of the view that Barr and John Durham just want to investigate the corruption at the highest levels of Government for lol's
I look forward to your Limerick on the topic next month

But remember, those ended in 1994 So he's had two decades more to lose, well, at that rate, at least two more billion.

more importantly when did they start, remember the short but severe recession of 1990... and trumps book 'the art of the comeback'
So he is so poor he can not afford his billionaire toys any more like Trump Force One is an informal name for Donald Trump's private jet. The current incarnation of Trump Force One is a Boeing 757... oh wait

 

[Estebonrober]

you seem to be of the view that Barr and John Durham just want to investigate the corruption at the highest levels of Government for lol's
I look forward to your Limerick on the topic next month
more importantly when did they start, remember the short but severe recession of 1990... and trumps book 'the art of the comeback'
So he is so poor he can not afford his billionaire toys any more like Trump Force One is an informal name for Donald Trump's private jet. The current incarnation of Trump Force One is a Boeing 757... oh wait

Is it weird for you idolizing an American businessman to this degree?

 

[Gori the Grey]

I look forward to your Limerick on the topic next month

Oh, you don't have to wait a month. I'll work one up right now if you want.

They're not investigating corruption. They're creating a distraction. What they're doing is corrupt.

(That's not the limerick. That's just something I wanted to say. Gimmie a minute on the limerick.)

 

[rah]

they are both bad... I understand that Trump is not ''Snow White" does not mean he is not out to Drain the Swamp being the new kid in town
Why are you so against Trump when you shout "THEY"RE BOTH BAD" shouldn't you apply the " It more like people are trying to divert attention from it.'' principle to the Swamp

No, I've just decided that I'm tired of it and that I'm going to stop holding democrats accountable for their shortcomings until the republicans start holding their own accountable.
Let me know when that happens then I'll start giving a crap.

 

[rah]

But you did, just last week someone "leaked" 10 years of his tax returns ... apart from being a nothing burger it was another nail in the coffin for CNN's madcow conspiracy show

Those returns were 25 years old. I want to see more recent one. Don't you?

 

[Old Hippy]

Is it weird for you idolizing an American businessman to this degree?

I don't idolise him but he is the only one who can take the poop the Swamp throws at him and just carry on regardless
We have the comey investigation coming out this week, Doug Collins is releasing 50 sworn testimonies before congressional committees, the DOJ IG report is coming out Bar has appointed John Durham who was investigating matters as far back as dec last year...and Trump has still not used the FISA report the IG has been declassify since the Dems and MSM said it was a red line in the Mueller investigation
Like I have always said justice moves slowly when you obey the law... especially in Washington DC
@rah

Let me know when that happens then I'll start giving a crap.

and spoil your surprise

 

[Berzerker]

Russians were, Page was in league with Russians. Trump has a long history with them too, thus the dossier had merit.

Calling the FBI "the Obama administration" is a real problem moving forward in US politics.

Christopher Steele said Carter Page was in league with the Russians, he wasn't. So he was spied on, his life was invaded and he was smeared because... because Trump threw his name out and Christopher Steele turned him into a 'traitor'. Vote Hillary!

 

[Estebonrober]

Christopher Steele said Carter Page was in league with the Russians, he wasn't. So he was spied on, his life was invaded and he was smeared because... because Trump threw his name out and Christopher Steele turned him into a 'traitor'. Vote Hillary!

Yea not a Hilary supporter either, but again just because Page was in the wrong place at the wrong time looking like he was doing the wrong thing doesn't mean the FBI was illegally spying on the trump campaign. Just because the police were wrong doesn't make them complicit in a crime and insofar as I can tell there has not been a systematic cover up of their proceedings on the matter or anything. Should we have a long discussion about what and where we want lines drawn around campaigns, foreign interests, and counter intelligence? Yea I think at this point that would be a good conversation to have. Are we going to get that in this all out cut throat environment where at every stage the president has escalated and made over half the US population his mortal enemy? Nope.