2020 US Election (Part One)

[Zardnaar]

By that point, they'll probably rubber-stamp Roy Moore to the supreme court. Then your really ******.

Basically if you're anti Trump you should vote for the Democrat candidate regardless of where you live and regardless if the candidate is centrist or far left.

 

[Hrothbern]

My disappointment mainly stems from his absolute failure to work with Congress. I blame a lot of it on Republican intransigence - I mean GOP leadership really did get together on inauguration day to plan how they would stop him from doing anything - but I feel like he did not do a good job of selling his agenda after Obamacare or forcing Republicans to bargain.

Yes
One of my concerns as well.
He did, the elite did, not reverse the trend.
Trump moving on in that direction.

Obama took around 29.5 Presidential Executive Orders per year. Trump is now at 44 per year.
(Over 8 years term: Clinton 308, GW Bush 291, Obama 276, Trump 111 until June 14 2019).

 

[Traitorfish]

I am, of course, very much for more left-leaning candidates like Sanders and Warren, not Biden. All I'm saying is that, should an election come down to a choice between Biden and Trump, the American left should vote Biden to minimize the damage. Yes, he's a lesser evil rather than a greater good - but if the election does come down to that choice, the time to vote for a left-leaning candidate would have passed, at least for that cycle, and it is always preferable to minimize damage rather than stay home and deliberately allow the greater evil to win out of some misguided hope that this would teach the DNC a lesson and make eight years or more of institutionalized right-wing extremism somehow all worth it.

I don't disagree. My contention is, we should not behave as if politics, even just electoral politics, ends with a presidential election. There is a difference between a candidate who is imperfectly progressive, and one who is simply not progressive. That difference may appear secondary during the campaign, but it become suddenly very important the day after the election. Part of the tragedy of the Obama administration is that the left forget this, that they allowed themselves to think a candidate who was always essentially a business liberal was their guy.

If you believe that Biden has a realistic prospect of beating Trump in the general election, then you need to know where you will stand when he wins. I don't think that exhortations to back any Democrat under any circumstances, however strictly correct they might be, make sufficient room for that.

 

[Estebonrober]

Warren had third way dems come out for her this week? Is that right? Well anyways I still stand by Warren thus far, best policies, clearest vision, and I could care less that she's not High School Prom cool. As a matter of fact that is another selling point.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Wonder what the game plan is going to be if Trump loses the election and refuses to step down?

 

[Socrates99]

I'm not 110% sure what I'll do in Nov 2020 if the nominee is a conservative Democrat. I'm to the point where a vote for one feels more like a wasted vote than a vote for a Green. The fearmongering about consolidated GoP power means nothing if we elect Democrats that turn around and do Republican things.

I get that the time to fight this stuff out is the primary and then rallying together in the general is best but prematurely promising to bend the knee to some of the worst candidates in the race only reaffirms the false narrative that those centrists are the most electable even though they alienate the very people who's votes they depend on.

Trump's figured out that appeasing the base is important for getting elected. it's how he won. Biden shows open disdain for the left-wing base. That's pure idiocy. You'll never get positive change with a guy like that. Obama had a filibuster proof majority in his first two years and the centrists are the ones that torpedoed the public option in the ACA, not the republicans.

Now we're back in that voter shaming mode where people are being browbeat into voting for undesirable candidates because of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

 

[Tristan_C]

Wonder what the game plan is going to be if Trump loses the election and refuses to step down?

Reminds me of the most ironic question of the decade,
I want to ask you on the stage tonight, do you make the same commitment, that you will absolutely— Sir, that you will absolutely accept the result of this election?

 

[Traitorfish]

Wonder what the game plan is going to be if Trump loses the election and refuses to step down?

Does there need to be a game plan? Presidents can only remain in office illegally if they have the personal support of the security forces, and Trump doesn't clearly possess this. Any bid by armed supporters to resist his removal from office is going to be treated as a rebellion against the United States government and will end as we would expect- his supporters massacred, and Trump himself executed as a rebel and traitor- and Trump isn't so stupid that he can't see that. He's not going to embrace martyrdom so that some crackpot Nazi gun club in Michigan can convinced themselves that their Turner Diaries fantasy is finally coming true; more his style to back down while complaining about it, to facilitate a peaceful transfer of power while publicly maintaining that he was robbed, giving his supporters a pleasing sense of victimhood and his successors some political capital.

 

[Takhisis]

why 8 years? Trump can only run for a second term.

He has all but stated outright that he can't be having with these limits on reelection.

 

[Kyriakos]

He has all but stated outright that he can't be having with these limits on reelection.

Ok, yet that is a constitutional matter.
Like the right to bear arms and form a well-regulated militia

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Does there need to be a game plan? Presidents can only remain in office illegally if they have the personal support of the security forces, and Trump doesn't clearly possess this. Any bid by armed supporters to resist his removal from office is going to be treated as a rebellion against the United States government and will end as we would expect- his supporters massacred, and Trump himself executed as a rebel and traitor- and Trump isn't so stupid that he can't see that. He's not going to embrace martyrdom so that some crackpot Nazi gun club in Michigan can convinced themselves that their Turner Diaries fantasy is finally coming true; more his style to back down while complaining about it, to facilitate a peaceful transfer of power while publicly maintaining that he was robbed, giving his supporters a pleasing sense of victimhood and his successors some political capital.

There's a lot of things he legally can't do and does every day. I don't take his lack of control over the armed forces to be a given - especially if the Senate, executive agencies and potentially the Supreme Court close ranks to back him.

 

[Arakhor]

If the Supreme Court ruled that an obvious breach of a (recent!) Constitutional amendment was perfectly acceptable, they would shoot their own credibility in the foot. Years spent on CFC tell me that that is the thing that Roberts does not want.

 

[Traitorfish]

There's a lot of things he legally can't do and does every day. I don't take his lack of control over the armed forces to be a given - especially if the Senate, executive agencies and potentially the Supreme Court close ranks to back him.

It's not enough for the military to be compliant, they would have to actively support his claim. At a minimum, this means blocking any attempt by the security agencies to apprehend him. What incentive to the military leadership have to do so? What can Trump offer them that they are not better-guaranteed by the existing system?

 

[Old Hippy]

He has all but stated outright that he can't be having with these limits on reelection.

just to keep you thinking... Trump jr... 2024... he opens all the rallies nowadays

 

[Berzerker]

You mean the guy posing with the tail he just cut off an elephant he killed trying to impress Daddy?

 

[Socrates99]

just to keep you thinking... Trump jr... 2024... he opens all the rallies nowadays

Lol there's an apple that didn't fall far from the tree.

Can't Republicans elect someone who's head doesn't rattle when you shake them for a change? We haven't had a Republican potus with two brain cells to rub together since GHWB.

 

[Gori the Grey]

just to keep you thinking... Trump jr... 2024... he opens all the rallies nowadays

People have also observed that at the Orlando rally to kick off his re-election campaign, the placards didn't have Pence's name on them.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

It's not enough for the military to be compliant, they would have to actively support his claim. At a minimum, this means blocking any attempt by the security agencies to apprehend him. What incentive to the military leadership have to do so? What can Trump offer them that they are not better-guaranteed by the existing system?

I don't think they actively have to support Trump for him to make a serious attempt at holding on.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Allegedly, Bernie Sanders is going to come out with a policy proposal to forgive all $1.6 trillion in accumulated student loan debt.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Goodie goodie gumdrops!