2020 US Election (Part One)

[Lexicus]

What is there to be done about it?

Warren could apologize and say that she is not a Native American and acknowledge her role in allowing Harvard to use her in a way that arguably was to the detriment of actual Native Americans.

 

[Zkribbler]

Warren could apologize

She has nothing to appologize for.

and say that she is not a Native American

She is partial Native American. Why do you think she should lie?

[/QUOTE] and acknowledge her role in allowing Harvard to use her ....[/QUOTE]
She didn't "allow" them to do anything. They used her name on their own.

Are you now finished with your attempts at character assassination?
May we talk about her proposed policies?

 

[Bootstoots]

I noticed something else negative about Warren's 2018 election result. It's already been said that she did worse than she should have given the state's partisan lean, her incumbency, and the national environment. This is true and is worrying enough.

She did improve over her 2012 result in most towns/cities* statewide - not surprising given that she was an incumbent in a Democratic-leaning year. But she did worse in SE Massachusetts near the Rhode Island border, in Fall River and the surrounding area. That's a problem because this region has the most Rust Belt-like demographic makeup of the state - Fall River is 83% non-Hispanic white and has only half of the state's median household income (about 2/3 of the nation's). It has long been a Democratic stronghold with a big union presence, but she didn't even crack 60% or beat her statewide average there, while for comparison Obama got 73.6% of the vote there in 2012 and Warren herself got 67.7%. Perhaps there could be some weird effect from the fact that half the population is from a single uncommon ethnic group (Portuguese), but I doubt it.

From a policy perspective, Warren is my dream candidate. But I really think she's done a terrible job of selling herself politically, and it's not just the DNA test blunder. I suspect that the "liberal attack dog" role she's put herself in is not a politically wise part to play, and that attempting to fight Trump's fire with fire does not come off well. Marco Rubio might know a thing or two about that.

If she could somehow position herself in the general election as a Oklahoma native fighting for everyday people against rich plutocrats, she could win back some ground. But I doubt she can do that in a way that convinces very many swing voters, of either the Obama-Trump (disproportionately white) and the Obama-nobody (disproportionately minority) varieties.

*All of Massachusetts is divided into "towns" and cities which are the primary unit of local government, with counties relatively unimportant. "Town" doesn't necessarily connote small towns; they can be rural, suburban, or small cities not incorporated officially as cities.

edit: forgot to include (*) explanation - added it

 

[Berzerker]

./sigh my point was that it was hyperbole towards you and your blind defense of this administration. Which seems insanely consistent to me, maybe I'm wrong. I wasn't comparing him to trump, I was comparing you to a blind footsoldier. . .in a gesture of hyperbole, calm down.

I supported Trumps signing of justice reform it was long overdue I agree and would have only ever gotten through a republican congress to get signed (otherwise dems would have been destroyed in ads as weak on crime). Its the only thing he's done in two years that was any sort of governance and he had almost nothing to do with it. His children did that bill.

It was long overdue...and why is that? Because establishment politicians have spent decades trying to out tough each other, even our beloved Bernie signed onto the mass incarceration of people. Trump had everything to do with it, he told his son-in-law which direction to take. Thousands of people will be freed, get reduced sentences, or wont be arrested because of Trump and you're calling him Hitler and me a Nazi and I'm the one who needs to calm down? Do you want Trump to expand our military footprint, keep it the same, or get us the hell out of the ME? Do you think we should let other countries like China restrict imports beyond our restrictions?

Now that the Dems can write laws again they should immediately try to out-do Kushner with another reform package while they cant be accused of being weak on crime. They should let Mueller do his thing and find out how pliable Trump can be toward their agenda. Maybe they should use the threat of impeachment to blackmail him into signing their laws. This is a golden opportunity for bi-partisan reform on all sorts of issues.

This whole Elizabeth Warren kerfuffle has really revealed the degree to which white liberals are willing to ignore and dismiss the concerns of Native Ameican people which is disappointing but not surprising

Unlikely in the extreme; she did however allow Harvard to use her as a prop to silence critics of its hiring policies.

But thats why she got the job, so Harvard could silence critics. I've heard their denials but she did fulfill that role. Compared to Trump she's a saint, what she did was a minor indiscretion and she didn't handle it well when mocked as Pocahontas, but I dont think she'd lose an election because of it. She needs to appear friendlier, she's too intense, like a mother who just found out her kids didn't do their chores.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I just don't see how immolating Warren helps fight institutional racism in any meaningful way. Something should be done but tearing down another progressive over thist does not help the cause. Meanwhile the GOP will run crotch grabbers and they know these things about them and still mostly vote for em.

And she is part Native American in the end. What she did with that knowledge is on her but I don't see institutional racism as her fault.

 

[Berzerker]

Saying the same wrong thing over and over again just shows you have nothing correct to say. She mentioned her ancestry only in the faculty directory, hoping to meet other Native Americans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...397227b43f0_story.html?utm_term=.9fc465515d20

She presented herself as a Cherokee and plagiarized recipes for a cookbook too. Uh oh...

DNA tests are not specific enough to distinguish Cherokee from other native American ancestry. The DNA test showed Native American.

I thought it showed a small slice to a tiny sliver of ancestry from south of the border.

http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/p/elizabeth-warren-information.html

She was Harvard's first 'woman of color'

seriously...

If you're saying that she was naive to believe Trump's promise to donate $1M to the charity of her choice if she'd take a DNA test to prove her Natine American ancestry. I agree with you. Trump lies and breaks promises all the time. I notice you continue to rely solely on character assassination and make no mention of her policies.

She didn't take the DNA test because of Trump's promise, she did it to run for Prez. Yes, Trump lies all the time. I mentioned two of her policies meeting with my approval. She supports getting us out of the ME and she opposed arming the Syrian rebels.

 

[Bamspeedy]

She did improve over her 2012 result in most towns/cities* statewide - not surprising given that she was an incumbent in a Democratic-leaning year. But she did worse in SE Massachusetts near the Rhode Island border, in Fall River and the surrounding area. That's a problem because this region has the most Rust Belt-like demographic makeup of the state - Fall River is 83% non-Hispanic white and has only half of the state's median household income (about 2/3 of the nation's). It has long been a Democratic stronghold with a big union presence, but she didn't even crack 60% or beat her statewide average there, while for comparison Obama got 73.6% of the vote there in 2012 and Warren herself got 67.7%. Perhaps there could be some weird effect from the fact that half the population is from a single uncommon ethnic group (Portuguese), but I doubt it.

One thing you might be forgetting in your analysis is where the opponent was from. The opponent will perform best in his 'home' district.

 

[Traitorfish]

She is partial Native American. Why do you think she should lie?

She has Native American ancestry; it doesn't follow from this that she is Native American in any really meaningful sense. That's what prompts the allegation that she misrepresented herself to the detriment of Native people.

I just don't see how immolating Warren helps fight institutional racism in any meaningful way. Something should be done but tearing down another progressive over thist does not help the cause.

That's not really fair. Lex has said that she should recognising that what she did was kinda sketchy, and apologise for it. No self-immolation is required.

 

[Emili Ladjet]

The bottom line is Trump will be re-elected president in 2020

 

[mitsho]

I'm bored by that ancestry discussion. Have people that are personally affected even complained about that? If yes, do penance, otherwise: can we move on? Trump had made far worse lies probably in the last hour or so...

 

[onejayhawk]

Warren could apologize and say that she is not a Native American and acknowledge her role in allowing Harvard to use her in a way that arguably was to the detriment of actual Native Americans.

Proof that Lexicus and I can agree on something. My phrasing was "own it" while his is more descriptive.

The bottom line is Trump will be re-elected president in 2020

It's a given if he chooses to run.

J

 

[adcarrymaokai]

It is a well accepted scientific fact that homo sapiens originated in Africa. I can take a DNA test and it will show that my mitochondrial DNA comes from Africa. Should I claim to be African American based on my mitochondrial DNA?

 

[Naskra]

She has Native American ancestry

Likely not if the best her personal geneticist had to offer was a definite maybe.
Poor Liz is just not good at politics. She couldn't find a genealogist in a flyover state? Just went immediately to a coastal elite because we all know that's where the real experts are?

She is squandering her 15 minutes of fame; her bloodline scandal is the only interesting thing about her, yet she's trying to bury it. She ought to be saying "I scammed Harvard", not "I'm just what Harvard wants in a law professor." Then she could introduce legislation to address the national epidemic of affirmative action fraud. And give a wrenching speech about her personal struggle with this terrible affliction. She's going down anyway, she might as well swing for the fence.

 

[Bootstoots]

One thing you might be forgetting in your analysis is where the opponent was from. The opponent will perform best in his 'home' district.

I looked them up - seems Scott Brown is from some distance (half a Rhode Island length) to the northwest of Fall River, and Geoff Diehl from a bit further away than that. I doubt either would have represented it, barring major gerrymandering. Is there something else I'm missing?

 

[Bamspeedy]

I looked them up - seems Scott Brown is from some distance (half a Rhode Island length) to the northwest of Fall River, and Geoff Diehl from a bit further away than that. I doubt either would have represented it, barring major gerrymandering. Is there something else I'm missing?

Silly Wikipedia, on Diehl's page it says he represents the seventh plymouth district so when I clicked on the hotlink it took me to plymouth county, not the seventh Plymouth district.

 

[Zkribbler]

Warren cheered in Iowa.

SIOUX CITY, Iowa ― Sen. Elizabeth Warren is finding friendly faces in unfriendly territory for Democrats on her first trip to Iowa since announcing she will almost certainly challenge President Donald Trump in 2020.

The Massachusetts Democrat on Friday and Saturday spoke to overflow crowds that appeared eager to hear her economic populist pitch and her denunciations of corporate greed and a corrupt Washington.

“Washington keeps working great for people with money, but not for anyone else,” Warren said to a round of applause at a packed theater in Sioux City, promising to “end lobbying as we know it.” “We need to call it out for what it is: It is corruption, pure and simple. And it needs to stop.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-iowa-populist_us_5c312414e4b07335283361ca

 

[Berzerker]

DRAIN THE SWAMP!

She can compete with Trump on that issue

 

[Zkribbler]

The bottom line is Trump will be re-elected president in 2020

Let's see...
400,000+ federal employees are being forced to sit home without pay
400,000+ federal employees are being forced to work as unpaid slaves for Trump.
There's what, a million? federal contractors idled without pay.
That's 2 million lost jobs & lost votes.

At the end of January, the Dept. of Agriculture runs out of money to issue food stamps.
That's 40 million more lost votes.

Because of Trumps trade wars, farmers will have difficulty selling their crops and auto makers will have trouble selling their cars.

The stock market is headed for recession, and people are wising up that Trumps massive tax give away has not resulted in economic growth.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Trump has threatened to leave the government closed until the election. I can't really imagine what an election where 800k people have been forced out of work/pay for 2 years as a direct result of the shutdown would be like... let alone an election where food stamps and housing assistance has been halted for two years .

Do the Democrats want to run on "Elect us into a supermajority so we can override this President and reopen the government?"

 

[Kyriakos]

I think it makes sense for trump to insist on his wall, cause that was his main thing when he was in the primaries. Of course mexico wont pay for it, but it will be funny to see a few tens of billion dollars used for a border wall.
If it is to deter without threat of manual use of force, it would have to be seriously tall and sturdy.

That said, even if would get built, the immigrants could just use the sea route. Though i suppose they would have to land on red states.