2020 US Election (Part One)

[Fippy]

So basically Trump could win again, since discussing ancestors is more important in this (social) media spectacle than finding a decent president.
Understood

 

[Timsup2nothin]

In fairness to Trump- and, jeez, isn't that a phrase- he can point to the precise Olde Worlde peasant villages his ancestors emigrated from, so he's relatively free of the sort of genealogical uncertainty you describe. It's really the one time he's set a standard for his opponents that he hasn't immediately violated, however weird and insidious a standard it might be.

In fairness to my observation...when I say something about USians as a general statement the fact that a USian born silver spoon in every orifice case like D'ump shows up as atypical doesn't really devalue the observation.

 

[Traitorfish]

In fairness to my observation...when I say something about USians as a general statement the fact that a USian born silver spoon in every orifice case like D'ump shows up as atypical doesn't really devalue the observation.

This really has less to do with Trump being rich than to his very immediate proximity to foreign-born ancestors. The guy's only a second-generation immigrant, after all. There are probably rather more Americans in that sort of situation than you're allowing, and I don't imagine most of them have a silver spoon in even one orifice.

(Trump's mother actually fits the above description. Her family were impoverished peasant-farmers who spoke English as a second language. She just married up.)

 

[Timsup2nothin]

This really has less to do with Trump being rich than to his very immediate proximity to foreign-born ancestors. The guy's only a second-generation immigrant, after all. There are probably rather more Americans in that sort of situation than you're allowing, and I don't imagine most of them have a silver spoon in even one orifice.

Maybe, though I think that second generation immigrants might be a lot less prevalent than you think also. There's a fair representation in D'ump's age bracket maybe, but boomers and younger are predominantly three generations or further removed. And as a third generation immigrant on the one side I can say that my mom couldn't track her heritage to anything more specific than 'Scotland.'

Undoubtedly her parents must have said more specifically where they came from, but what would make that stick with a kid? Her parents never went back to Scotland with or without their kids. D'ump, on the other hand, no doubt got the full European heritage tour at some point while he was on a boarding school break.

 

[danjuno]

At this point, I still don't see an alternative to Bernie. At this point, it appears to be a battle of who can turn out their base more effectively. Trump is king, but the crown is slipping. Warren missed her window in 2016, and Biden is basically the establishment personified.

In a matchup with Biden, Booker would actually be a great stalking horse for Sanders, since he's a neoliberal from the Mid-Atlantic, and would also divide older black voters that united behind HRC in 2016. In that scenario, I could even see Bernie sniping away a plurality in one of the "New South" states like VA, NC, or GA. If I recall correctly, NC was his best state of the three, I'd say that'd be the best opportunity.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Bernie doesn't turn out the Democratic base.

 

[Kyriakos]

Bernie doesn't turn out the Democratic base.

He did in 2016. And he is the most popular us politician atm.
Biden is a reheated tv dinner. Comrade bernie is caviar
2020: decade-end at bernie's

 

[Birdjaguar]

He did in 2016. And he is the most popular us politician atm.
Biden is a reheated tv dinner. Comrade bernie is caviar
2020: decade-end at bernie's

Caviar is a an acquired taste and too fishy or salty for many.

 

[Takhisis]

Well, isn't that a bit potato potato? I mean when people lie about things like that they usually lie about the lie afterwards. They usually don't go "oh, yeah, i lied there, wasn't that smart of me?"
Allthough Trump might.

Trump tells about his own lies very smugly all the time and calls it being smart.

(or even @Kyriakos who, strictly speaking, can't vote in our election)

Neither can a large part of the U.S. ‘citizenry’ but they don't complay.

In fairness to Trump- and, jeez, isn't that a phrase- he can point to the precise Olde Worlde peasant villages his ancestors emigrated from, so he's relatively free of the sort of genealogical uncertainty you describe. It's really the one time he's set a standard for his opponents that he hasn't immediately violated, however weird and insidious a standard it might be.

Scotland hasn't disowned him for his golf course and his support for Brexit and No to independence yet?

[Bernie] did in 2016. And he is the most popular us politician atm.

How well does he measure among authorised voters.

 

[cardgame]

The democratic base will turn out for any democrat who isn't trump. Biden might fail to excite, since he wrote the Patriot Act, or so I am informed. As previously said, he is the establishment. Of maximum importance is the youth vote, as always, and they will turn out specifically for bernie.

 

[Farm Boy]

No Dem should bother trying to get the likes of Commodore, Berzerker or Kyriakos (!), and I have little doubt that Farm Boy already votes Dem.

That would depend on which member of the Democrat Party. I like my secretary of state well enough. I like some of the congresscritters. But I live in a state that requires you to pick a primary and I don't vote on the supermajority+supermajority+every statewide office = statewide governance via doorknobhumping, one.

 

[Gori the Grey]

I think you make your posts to me particularly impenetrable.

I'm obtuse. I'll own my part in it. But I can't solve for doorknobhumping in the equation you've provided.

 

[Farm Boy]

Do you enjoy it?

We really enjoy our doorknobs around here.

 

[Takhisis]

impenetrable.

Hehehehe.

 

[danjuno]

Bernie doesn't turn out the Democratic base.

Um, what? If you're saying this because he didn't win the nomination last time, I'm pretty sure it's because moderates, i.e. not the base, voted for HRC.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Enough of the old white guys, please. I know of what I speak....

 

[danjuno]

Except Sanders's views are in no way reflective of the average old white guy. You people keep saying this like any other major candidate brought up so far is any more in touch with younger voters.

Moreover, I'm not impressed with any of the young PoC candidates that the media is drooling over. Booker is a spineless weasel, Harris is a narc like Lexi mentioned earlier, and Castro is a bad imitation of Obama.

 

[Birdjaguar]

77 is way too old to be president.

 

[danjuno]

Why don't you actually look at his health record as an individual instead?

 

[Birdjaguar]

Because at 77 nothing is working like it did at 55 or 60.