2020 US Election (Part One)

[Broken_Erika]

Given that the US installed a dictator to end the "egyptian spring", because the latter voted in government an islamic party, it is rather ridiculous to argue that the US cares about the arab spring when it doesn't suit it. Ever wonder why there was no arab spring in Saudi Medievalia?

Well, like half of egypt did hate the guy....while the other half would accept no-one else but him. The protests against him showed no signs of letting up so the military said. "That's enough, you civvies had your chance and you blew it"

 

[Berzerker]

It is interesting that with all of that history in front of you you choose the one sentence that you think blames Obama for it all and ignore all the rest. You really have no objectivity with Obama do you. So I take it now that you think Marc Lynch is an expert on ME affairs and everything he says about it is true?

I dont blame Obama for what this guy wrote, I thought the use of the term by an American publication was noteworthy. Its almost like we needed a narrative to go along with over throwing governments we didn't like. So what history is in front of (behind) us? Several years of war in Syria fueled by 'the west' and its Middle Eastern allies, but Obama magically gets a pass and Trump is evil. Yeah, you guys are real objective.

Given that the US installed a dictator to end the "egyptian spring", because the latter voted in government an islamic party, it is rather ridiculous to argue that the US cares about the arab spring when it doesn't suit it. Ever wonder why there was no arab spring in Saudi Medievalia?

Bingo

 

[Takhisis]

I dont blame Obama

WTH

 

[Berzerker]

Why do you feel the need to edit out the rest of the sentence?

I dont blame Obama for what the guy wrote, I do blame Obama for trying to overthrow the Syrian government and the resulting chaos.

 

[Estebonrober]

Why do you feel the need to edit out the rest of the sentence?

I dont blame Obama for what the guy wrote, I do blame Obama for trying to overthrow the Syrian government and the resulting chaos.

but he didn't get involved until Syria wasn't in control of even half of it's territory. So you timeline is all jacked up to fit your narrative of anti-obama rhetoric.

 

[Berzerker]

but he didn't get involved until Syria wasn't in control of even half of it's territory. So you timeline is all jacked up to fit your narrative of anti-obama rhetoric.

Can you look at that map and figure out when weapons started flooding into the country?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/19/us-weapons-to-syria-repeats-historical-mistake

This bizarre “I was peer pressured into sending more weapons into the Middle East” argument by the president is possibly the most blatant example of blame shifting in recent memory, since he had every opportunity to speak out against it, or veto the bill. Instead, this is what Obama said at the time: “I am pleased that Congress...have now voted to support a key element of our strategy: our plan to train and equip the opposition in Syria.”

But besides the fact that he clearly did support the policy at the time, it’s ridiculous for another reason: years before Congress approved the $500m program to arm the Syrian rebels, the CIA had been running its own separate Syrian rebel-arming program since at least 2012. It was reported prominently by the New York Times at the time and approved by the president.

If you guessed the summer of 2012 you win a cookie

Almost a year later in the spring of 2013 was when the rebels finally had control of nearly half the country but they lost ground and Syrian forces had taken back much of the country by late 2013-2014. Thats when ISIS arrived on the scene and by the middle of 2015 they had control of 2/3rds of the country.

In Sept of 2014 Obama and Congress openly funded 'the rebels'. Now look at that map again and see if you can figure out who benefited the most from that influx of weapons.

 

[Arakhor]

Seriously, how is this remotely relevant to the 2020 election?

 

[Gorbles]

It all came out of Berzerker questioning why people could criticise Trump, basically. Since then they just road the train of Obama criticism for . . . some reason. Probably to keep people from getting back to criticising the actual, current Commander in Chief, I don't know.

 

[Zardnaar]

Trump love him or hate em. Left or right people don't like being preached to.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Just a reminder that trump is a racist who has been credibly accused of rape, who republicans still Stan

 

[Zardnaar]

Just a reminder that trump is a racist who has been credibly accused of rape, who republicans still Stan

Yeah but abortion is a big deal for 25% or more if the US electorate. From their PoV Democratics support murdering babies.

Not saying I agree with it but it's somewhat understandable. The other 20% or so like tax cuts.

It's a silly pov to me since they also don't want to pay welfare money to women who get pregnant.

Trump also campaigned on contradictory promises like cheaper better healthcare, Hilary didn't have a clue.

Trump winning 2016, not a major problem. Hilary was crap, Trump was crude but people heard what they wanted.

Trump winning 2020 is a problem unless he wins the popular vote that's purely on the Dems.

 

[Kyriakos]

I can see Trump winning if the dems manage to again nominate some shill ala Bibi-biden or Kamala. But not against the Bern or similar.
I hope for either a Bernie-Warren or a Bernie-Tulsi ticket. I like Yang too. Hopefully all four will have a role in the next government, with Bernie as potus

Why is Biden even in the race? He is a representative of old policies which don't make anyone go vote, and he is on the same low intellectual level of Trump as well.
In a (ridiculous) Trump-Kamala race, which thankfully I don't see happening even with DNC manipulation, you know that Trump would keep mentioning Kamala's dreadful record as a state law official, and unlike in the dem debates it won't be possible to just make this go away through the moderators.

 

[Zardnaar]

I can see Trump winning if the dems manage to again nominate some shill ala Bibi-biden or Kamala. But not against the Bern or similar.
I hope for either a Bernie-Warren or a Bernie-Tulsi ticket. I like Yang too. Hopefully all four will have a role in the next government, with Bernie as potus

Why is Biden even in the race? He is a representative of old policies which don't make anyone go vote, and he is on the same low intellectual level of Trump as well.
In a (ridiculous) Trump-Kamala race, which thankfully I don't see happening even with DNC manipulation, you know that Trump would keep mentioning Kamala's dreadful record as a state law official, and unlike in the dem debates it won't be possible to just make this go away through the moderators.

I think most of the top tier candidates have good numbers vs Trump.

Personally I'm happy with any of the top 7 or so assuming they win.

Trump's the best weapon Dems have, he is also the best weapon the GoP has.

I think he is underwater in 2/3 of the 2016 rust belt states and several red states are trending towards purple.

It's not looking good for him regardless but there's that what if...... mentality.

Hell probably crash and burn, the Senate is probably the bigger ?.

 

[Berzerker]

Seriously, how is this remotely relevant to the 2020 election?

2020 will be about the evil of two lessers and Democrats are trying to rewrite history to make their leaders appear less evil than Trump. Since Biden was Obama's right hand man their record on starting/instigating wars is relevant.

 

[rah]

doesn't matter, he's still less evil than Trump.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Seriously, how is this remotely relevant to the 2020 election?

Berzerker and K keep trying to divert the conversation away from Trump and back to Obama.

 

[Berzerker]

lets see, steered 1994 crime bill thru, voted to invade Iraq and supported toppling Libya and Syria

not a good record in a lesser evil debate

what did Trump do thats worse?

 

[Berzerker]

Berzerker and K keep trying to divert the conversation away from Trump and back to Obama.

Biden's Obama adjacent

 

[Birdjaguar]

Biden's Obama adjacent

Then talk about Biden. VPs are not Presidents. Do you also equate Pence and Turdface?

 

[Lexicus]

Do you also equate Pence and Turdface?

*raises hand* I do