2020 US Election (Part One)

[Berzerker]

I didn't even need to go looking. I edited my post almost immediately. That the last comment in that sentence was not meant to be taken seriously was so obvious to me I assume it's obvious to others. It's one of my character failings.

Like I said, I saw his speech and he didn't offer that caveat sarcastically. So what did he say before that? He said some of the people coming across the border were rapists. Can we take that literally or sarcastically?

Here's a clip, show us the sarcasm and change in tone

No change in his demeanor, he didn't smile or laugh or mock the notion some are good people.

 

[stinkubus]

I said "tone of voice". Regardless, you've non-ironically posted "Jews Will Not Replace Us" on this very forum, so I know exactly where you stand on the issue of non-white people.

 

[Narz]

Not trying to get involved in this squabble but aren't Jews white people?

 

[Old Hippy]

That opinion in and of itself isn't transphobic, because there are qualifiers you can add onto it. The joke, now I'm pretty sure this is Rogan but I can't be positive, that "That's just a dickless dude punching a woman in the face" is transphobic as you can get.

edit: 37% odds that is actually Chapelle but Rogan has said something very similar.

pretty sure it was said by a women SONYA BLADE from Mortal combat 11 paraphrasing how how she feels about her face getting punch or to be more precice her real life voice actor Ronda Rousey UFC fighter and former olympian
joe rogan is a different comedian who has a part time gig being a cage fight commmentator for the UFC

 

[cardgame]

Not trying to get involved in this squabble but aren't Jews white people?

If Jews were white why do they suffer so much discrimination and racism? They are obviously seen as nonwhite in the ways that matter. Whiteness is more than skin tone, it's cultural.

 

[Zardnaar]

Not trying to get involved in this squabble but aren't Jews white people?

Not if you're a Neo Nazi.

Jews vary in appearance. Shocking I know.

 

[Narz]

If Jews were white why do they suffer so much discrimination and racism? They are obviously seen as nonwhite in the ways that matter. Whiteness is more than skin tone, it's cultural.

I've heard Bernie described as "an old white dude".

Jews vary in appearance. Shocking I know.

Not so shocking, everyone varies in appearance. Most of 'em look caucasian, even my Iranian Jew friend looks pretty much white.

 

[Berzerker]

I said "tone of voice". Regardless, you've non-ironically posted "Jews Will Not Replace Us" on this very forum, so I know exactly where you stand on the issue of non-white people.

You said there was an obvious change in his tone of voice and I said there was no change in tone. I provided the quote and the clip and you're running away. Now, I said Jews will not replace us unironically? Where? And Jews are not white? I support open borders with a vetting process to block criminals and quarantine the contagious. Thats where I stand, where did Obama stand? Oh yeah, on the border kicking people out of the country.

Not if you're a Neo Nazi.

Jews vary in appearance. Shocking I know.

I dont think neo-Nazis are griping about brown or black skinned Jews, they probably aint in on the great conspiracy to conquer the world. That was said ironically stinkubus.

 

[cardgame]

I've heard Bernie described as "an old white dude".

wow that is incredibly anti semitic

 

[Imaus]

I care not for which (D) now wins, so long as they do. Trump is, as he was in 2016, regression, a (D) at worst is stagnation, and a (D) for 2021-2025 will be working on damage control anyway for most of their term. The mantra 'vote blue, no matter who' may not be perfect, but this is far from a perfect system in an imperfect world.

Though I wonder, had Clinton won in 2016, she would probably lose now to some (R), as no party has held more than three terms in how long - and her apparent belligerency and fleetiness on prog issues would had had her under attack from both sides.

I wonder if Trump would had tried again...or some other upstart.

 

[Berzerker]

If Clinton won we'd still be participating in, no, driving the destruction of Syria

I said "tone of voice". Regardless, you've non-ironically posted "Jews Will Not Replace Us" on this very forum, so I know exactly where you stand on the issue of non-white people.

I found it, from the Pittsburgh synagogue thread

you asked why neo-Nazis hate so much

"What, precisely, is the problem with an "increasingly multicultural and sexual liberal civil society""

and I answered with the neo-Nazi chant

"Jews will not replace us"

So... you think I was endorsing their slogan instead of answering your question? I got 3 likes, were they endorsing it too?

 

[Narz]

Biden losing his cool again... more cringeworthyness, poor impulse control, he should quit before it gets worse

 

[Gorbles]

Trump allies are handing out cash to black voters (Politico).

Well, this seems pretty corrupt. I'm sure some folks can defend it, but considering "Democrats are bribing people with free healthcare" is a real argument I've seen, I'd argue literally stuffing money in envelopes to be on a whole other level. Tax-deductable too! What a clever scam.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I agree with all this except that Rogan isn't a transaphobe just for having the opinion that M2F transgender folks shouldn't be able to fight biological ladies in the ring.

M2F "transgender" here.

Joe Rogan, at best, holds views indistinguishable from transphobia and invites transphobes regularly onto his show.

Nevermind that hrt actually decreases strength and bone density.

His comments abut trans athletes also suck, he's also quoted as calling one a "tranny" 7 years ago but I seriously doubt his views have changed much in that time, especially if he thinks that hormone blockers for children is some sort of insane proposition.

If the dude isn't a transphobe he is, at the very least, comfortable with platforming them and spreading their rhetoric and views.

 

[Berzerker]

Trump allies are handing out cash to black voters (Politico).

Well, this seems pretty corrupt. I'm sure some folks can defend it, but considering "Democrats are bribing people with free healthcare" is a real argument I've seen, I'd argue literally stuffing money in envelopes to be on a whole other level. Tax-deductable too! What a clever scam.

how sad, they cant get people to listen without a raffle

 

[IglooDame]

The US has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems. Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

It's a really effective style of speaking/tweeting for whipping up the masses but not getting pinned down on details, isn't it? The most recent bit was the reaction to Lev Parnas:

“I don’t know who this man is,” Trump said. “Oftentimes I’ll be taking a picture with somebody and say, I wonder what newspaper that one will appear in. I don’t know him. Perhaps he’s a fine man. Perhaps he’s not. I know nothing about him.”

Perhaps he's a fine man, sure.

More generally, it's the 'people say' gambit. It's not coming from Trump himself, he's just the messenger, saying how a bunch of people know this or that. No one is ever going to be able to pin him down on naming anyone he's relaying (after all, the list of people he knows well is shrinking rapidly as the prosecutors get co-conspirators to flip, I expect Giuliani to fall off the list soon), but he both gets his statement out there and simultaneously avoids being personally responsible for it at the same time that he makes it sound like a very popular and well-supported position.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Like I said, I saw his speech and he didn't offer that caveat sarcastically. So what did he say before that? He said some of the people coming across the border were rapists. Can we take that literally or sarcastically?

No change in his demeanor, he didn't smile or laugh or mock the notion some are good people.

No. He didn't say "some" of the people were rapists. He said "They're rapists". Full stop. You're adding a "some" to the allegation that wasn't there, in order to spin things in Trump's favor. In fact, he didn't even really fully concede that some Mexican immigrants are good people, because he qualified that with "I assume", which of course implies that he could very well be wrong, he's just assuming that some of them might not be rapists, bringing drugs and crime. He only said that to give his supporters political cover, to claim as you are doing that "Well he didn't say ALL Mexicans". It was said as a disingenuous, begrudging, obligatory, fig-leaf and most people recognized it immediately as such.

If your wife calls you on the phone and asks "Is there enough food in the fridge for dinner tonight" and you say "I assume there it" she will recognize that as you just trying to tell her what she wants to hear while wanting to avoid accountability for potentially being wrong. If she asks "Are the kids at home with you?" and you respond with "I assume so" she's not going to accept that answer, because it's a disingenuous and/or sarcastic deflection.

Here's a thought exercise:

When team Trump sends their supporters to the internet forums and social media, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with them to the internet. They're bringing bigotry. They're bringing lies. They're racists. And some, I assume, are good people.

Would you call this a fair and accurate statement?

 

[Gori the Grey]

One thing that I don't think has been sufficiently analyzed about that speech, is that he points out into the audience and says [of Mexico] "They're not sending their best. They're not sending you They're not sending you." Which is nice and complimentary of his audience and all, but how did he know that some random dudes in his audience weren't rapists and drug dealers? Because they were white?

 

[Kyriakos]

One thing that I don't think has been sufficiently analyzed about that speech, is that he points out into the audience and says [of Mexico] "They're not sending their best. They're not sending you They're not sending you." Which is nice and complimentary of his audience and all, but how did he know that some random dudes in his audience weren't rapists and drug dealers? Because they were white?

JWG and president Carter's wife

 

[Sommerswerd]

One thing that I don't think has been sufficiently analyzed about that speech, is that he points out into the audience and says [of Mexico] "They're not sending their best. They're not sending you They're not sending you." Which is nice and complimentary of his audience and all, but how did he know that some random dudes in his audience weren't rapists and drug dealers? Because they were white?

It seems clear to me that fact that "you" meaning the audience was white and "Mexicans" aren't was part of his explicit point.