2020 US Election (Part One)
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Disclaimer: not an Onion article this time.
That's another thing entirely. I meant at the actual elections.
hobbsyoyo
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There is a lot to be said for this. I don't think Buttigieg can sustain a lead and this certainly deflates Biden in a big way. Biden's entire candidacy is based on the idea of electibility and this undermines that.
Butty actually is behind Bernie in the popular vote (both first and second round) in the miserable 62% which got posted. So it is not a good idea to claim he won Iowa (delegates) when he currently only has a 1% lead with 38% of the vote not posted...
Berzerker
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Wonderful, I'm surprised Hilldog didn't win last night
amadeus
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Oh, but she did. Neither Biden nor Sanders nor Buttigieg has taken home any prize from Iowa.
Almost leaves a big gap that could only be filled with an experienced and well-known figure not yet in the race...
Ironsided
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They withhold the full result to deny Bernie of the momentum. Giving an up and coming little corporate democrat lapdog like Butty not one but two faux victory laps. Anyone ever feeling sorry for that slimy cheese ball is delusional. Did you see him smugly come out of the coffee shop the day after like someone’s been in the cookie jar. But it’s just the icing. The major thing for the useless party is to deny Bernie because he would change the party to a real political alternative. I still expect Bernie to win both popular vote and most state delegates when we get the full result. But most eyes and media will be in NH of course.
Apparently from house disbursements, Pete for America donated $42k to the private company Shadow Inc this summer. (five people on the company picture) who as you know was providing “the app”. The app that was not even stress-tested for 200 users but serving 1800 on the night.
Anyway, politicians now directly donate money to private businesses - or was that the roundabout payment for the development? Businesses that provide the app for registering the votes in the elections of which they partake in? Isn’t that something? Is that even legal? Is it internationally acceptable when claiming to uphold a democracy? So, maybe what we really should do now is send an international election observation mission to the banana republic of the USA.
Apparently from house disbursements, Pete for America donated $42k to the private company Shadow Inc this summer. (five people on the company picture) who as you know was providing “the app”. The app that was not even stress-tested for 200 users but serving 1800 on the night.
Anyway, politicians now directly donate money to private businesses - or was that the roundabout payment for the development? Businesses that provide the app for registering the votes in the elections of which they partake in? Isn’t that something? Is that even legal? Is it internationally acceptable when claiming to uphold a democracy? So, maybe what we really should do now is send an international election observation mission to the banana republic of the USA.
Cloud_Strife
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I'm sure you're salivating for yet another rapacious capitalist.
ThERat
Deity
The democratic establishment is so rotten to the core as Nina Turner always says so passionately.
The Iowa debacle is so incredible. What I also find incredible is the fact that for 3 years I had to listen to the whining that HRC won the popular vote (yes, I know she did) and yet, wasn't made POTUS. This system is so rigged and this mustn't ever happen again. What do I see in the Iowa caucus? The guy winning the popular vote doesn't get most delegates? Oh really? Wow, the hypocrisy of the DNC is just amazing.
The Iowa debacle is so incredible. What I also find incredible is the fact that for 3 years I had to listen to the whining that HRC won the popular vote (yes, I know she did) and yet, wasn't made POTUS. This system is so rigged and this mustn't ever happen again. What do I see in the Iowa caucus? The guy winning the popular vote doesn't get most delegates? Oh really? Wow, the hypocrisy of the DNC is just amazing.
Naw, Bloomberg is already in the race and sniping for that role.
Morty
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Because "expected winner wins" isn't exactly a) headline making, and b) doesn't give media anything to talk about for days at end. However, "rank outsider does well" and "favourite falls at first hurdle" both sell newspapers/attracts viewers and gives 'political experts' something to talk about ad infinitum.
I don't like to burst people's bubble, but screwing up technology doesn't automatically make it a conspiracy by anybody against anybody.
Bamspeedy
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Sounds like the app had 'zoomed in' on a screen (only one side of the screen was visible, making it unusable) for some users and some of those users couldn't un-zoom it. Simple fix was to uninstall and re-install the app, but one user (responsible for reporting the results for his area) needed his microsoft password for that, which he did not have on him.
It is suspicious Bootygig gave money to the company who made this app and declared himself the winner. Coincidence is also possible. Also note to counter the suspicions, Biden gave money to this company too (how much?), and he didn't get any suspicious gain from this.
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Votes
Candidate Delegates Percent Count
Pete Buttigieg
10 26.8% 419
Bernie Sanders
10 25.2% 394
Elizabeth Warren
4 18.4% 287
Joe Biden
0 15.4% 241
GoodEnoughForMe
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Gonna be honest, other than Bernie outright winning Iowa, this... really went pretty well for him. The complete cluster means nobody really gets to grab the main media narrative, and Bernie at the very least can fall back on "more people voted for me" (assuming his lead there holds). And while it's not always true that winning the most voters in an election in the US is the best way to win an election, when he wins New Hampshire (which he is way ahead in polling on), which has sort of become the de facto first state now that Iowa was just a mess, he's going to have the closest thing to a leading narrative out of the early states. And the fact that Biden did so bad, and Pete really has no clear path to victory since he lacks any support from non-white people or college students means that if anyone besides Bernie was to win Iowa, the one who did him the least harm did. And winning, again, is not even clear here, because Bernie is going to be right up near or at the top as well. The biggest threat really is if Biden does better in NH. He's (barely) in 2nd in polls, and if he closes a bit, he gets back into it. But if Pete or Warren or both jump him there? lol.
Anyways. The whole thing was a debacle but I think if you were to have some sort of magical primary victory odds calculator (I know NYT and 538 are attempting this, among others), in the end, Bernie saw his chances go up with everything that happened this week so far.
Anyways. The whole thing was a debacle but I think if you were to have some sort of magical primary victory odds calculator (I know NYT and 538 are attempting this, among others), in the end, Bernie saw his chances go up with everything that happened this week so far.
Socrates99
Bottoms up!
I would have liked it if Bernie ran away with Iowa but Wallstreet Pete isnt really a bad scenario. Pete really has no clear path to victory. Winning Iowa wont change that. He just totally lacks PoC support which is necessary for any democratic candidate. What his win did/would do is crumble Biden's biggest asset, his "electability." Polls on 2nd choices showed a lot of Biden voters defaulting to Bernie (wierd I know, but I think it's a name recognition thing).
Biden's tanking viability and Bernie's strong numbers in NH are a big deal going into Super Tuesday. While Wallstreet Pete and Bloomberg squabble over one voting block and other candidates lose viability Bernie could wrap things up if he does well on Super Tuesday and in CA.
Pretty optimistic right now.
The kerfuffle with the counting keeps a bunch of nobodies in the race fighting over scraps. That prevents opposition from lining up behind one candidate.
*edit* lol Goodenoughforme beat me to it.
Biden's tanking viability and Bernie's strong numbers in NH are a big deal going into Super Tuesday. While Wallstreet Pete and Bloomberg squabble over one voting block and other candidates lose viability Bernie could wrap things up if he does well on Super Tuesday and in CA.
Pretty optimistic right now.
The kerfuffle with the counting keeps a bunch of nobodies in the race fighting over scraps. That prevents opposition from lining up behind one candidate.
*edit* lol Goodenoughforme beat me to it.
Coverage of Bernie has been better this morning. There was a lot of talk about how he did well in Iowa and is expected to win New Hampshire easily. Again, I think that the coverage tends to glom onto whoever the perceived favourite is. If Sanders manages to get into the lead, he will start to take front and center in the coverage. However, I don't know if winning NH does it, because he's already so heavily favored there that his win will be characterized as a gimme. Now if he wins in SC... well that's a horse of a different colour.
onejayhawk
Afflicted with reason
That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen. All they are doing is racial profiling, which is supposed to be bad. More relevant would be on a range from inner city to rural.
In any event, Iowa and New Hampshire were doing it this way before anyone paid attention to them nationally. There is a sort of possession being 90% argument to be made.
J
I think that folks are overestimating the significance of this in a Bernie v. Bootyjudge comparison somewhat. Bernie isn't particularly strong with black voters either, but it doesn't matter because black voters are fiercely loyal to the Democrats, moreso than any other demographic to any party. If Bernie wins the Democratic nomination he will get 85%+ of the black vote. If Bootyjudge wins, he will get 85%+ of the black vote. Same for Warren, same for Biden, same for any Democrat.
The "can't attract people of color" narrative is nearly a red herring, especially as it relates to Bernie and Bootyjudge. I'd be more concerned with Bernie's ability to attract moderates and drive up young voter turnout versus Bootyjudge's ability to get older voters and attract Bernie's faithful.
GoodEnoughForMe
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I think it's more that Pete doesn't have a primary victory path. He's sooooooo far behind with black and Spanish speaking voters, that it's more of "how does he have time over the next couple months to change that?" Not that Dems wouldn't fall in line for him in a general election (I think Dems would fall in behind the re-incarnated body of Marx to stop Trump at this point).
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