2020 US Election (Part One)

[Kyriakos]

Nicely ironic ^_^ Superpac presents anti-Bernie ads, Bernie ends up gaining 1.3 million dollars in a day as a result, so the superpac quits.

Superpac was affiliated with the israeli government, which in its statement said "we plan to not get more involved in the US race". I thought it was illegal, but maybe that is only when it is the feared Russia.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Unless all the democrats support the nominee, it won't matter.

Once there's a nominee they freakin' better all support him/her, no matter who it is. That has no real bearing on the current situation though. No matter who spins it how, Sanders performed in Nevada the same as he did last time (47%) after massive dropoffs in Iowa (49% to 24%) and New Hampshire (60% to 26%), and he is a far cry from being the "presumptive nominee." If Biden performs as expected on Saturday in South Carolina the headlines will be right back to "Nomination is Biden's to lose."

 

[Kyriakos]

Once there's a nominee they freakin' better all support him/her, no matter who it is. That has no real bearing on the current situation though. No matter who spins it how, Sanders performed in Nevada the same as he did last time (47%) after massive dropoffs in Iowa (49% to 24%) and New Hampshire (60% to 26%), and he is a far cry from being the "presumptive nominee." If Biden performs as expected on Saturday in South Carolina the headlines will be right back to "Nomination is Biden's to lose."

Just don't make a bet with anyone that Biden will win the nomination. He has a ridiculously low number of delegates as well as votes by now, is set to quit after ST and has next to no money left - more importantly, the DNC seems to prefer either Butti or Bloomy as the antagonist to Bern.
Tbh, it is all futile. Bernie obviously will have a plurality with double digit difference from the next. And if somehow he doesn't end up as the nominee then, it won't matter cause the election would have been lost, like your friend Chris Matthews said: "maybe we should wait 4 more years with Trump, and have a democrat we like"

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Just don't make a bet with anyone that Biden will win the nomination. He has a ridiculously low number of delegates as well as votes by now, is set to quit after ST and has next to no money left - more importantly, the DNC seems to prefer either Butti or Bloomy as the antagonist to Bern.

LOL...please name the candidate, in your Greek's eye view, that has some gigantic number of delegates after two caucuses and a primary, all of which have been conducted in tiny states.

Or you could just acknowledge that "has a ridiculously low number of delegates" was actually a ridiculously stupid thing to say and go back to being Greek.

 

[Kyriakos]

Racism wins the argument

Or it was just intelligent design of exceptionalism.

 

[Fippy]

Biden just never had the quality, right president my boss

 

[Kyriakos]

Biden just never had the quality, right president my boss

WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY

Seriously, he is hurting his own self by continuing. Clearly he needs rest and is a meme machine by now.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Seriously, he is hurting his own self by continuing. Clearly he needs rest and is a meme machine by now.

The dude won seven senate races and got picked to be a VP running mate as "stumblin' Joe, the gaffe machine." Meme's may or may not work against him any better than the endless "Biden says <insert latest crazily misspoken line>" headlines have throughout his career. I'm not claiming any insight on that, or even that I can understand how it worked for him before...just pointing out that it always has.

 

[Estebonrober]

Nicely ironic ^_^ Superpac presents anti-Bernie ads, Bernie ends up gaining 1.3 million dollars in a day as a result, so the superpac quits.

Superpac was affiliated with the israeli government, which in its statement said "we plan to not get more involved in the US race". I thought it was illegal, but maybe that is only when it is the feared Russia.

Israel was the quick response about russian interference by anyone paying attention who wanted to dismiss Trump being a Putin puppet. "Every President has been Israel's puppet forever!"

Good to hear they backed off.

 

[Estebonrober]

LOL...please name the candidate, in your Greek's eye view, that has some gigantic number of delegates after two caucuses and a primary, all of which have been conducted in tiny states.

Or you could just acknowledge that "has a ridiculously low number of delegates" was actually a ridiculously stupid thing to say and go back to being Greek.

First Sanders is going to clean up in NY and Cali, its pretty inevitable he gets at least a plurality of delegates. Teh question will be how close he gets to 50%.

Second any foreigner including Kyr who is here on this forum has a right to comment on American elections because they not only are directly effected by our foreign policies but also because they spend time to know about our politics which is more then I can say about me and Greek politics. I say this as someone who disagree quite frequently with Kyr, so . . .

 

[Lexicus]

The dude won seven senate races

Yeah, in Delaware. No offense, but if you're gonna say Bernie is a far cry from the presumptive frontrunner on the strength of his victories in three contests so far, saying that Biden won seven Senate races in Delaware so therefore he has broad and enduring electoral appeal seems a bit...obviously hypocritical.

It's also worth pointing out that Biden won his first election basically by being really racist (opposing school integration was his signature position in those days) and then by kowtowing to the financial industry to such a degree that he was referred to as the "Senator from MBNA."

I don't think Biden has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination. He is visibly losing his grip. He looks old and frail. That's why, ironically, I think a narrow Biden win in SC may be the best outcome for Sanders (assuming Sanders doesn't win the state, which doesn't seem to be possible judging from the current polling). Biden is probably the weakest of the candidates arrayed against him, and I think the best chance for those who want to stop Sanders is to try to coalesce around one of the others before it's too late. The problem is they all have their crippling problems. Buttigieg and Klob can't seem to draw votes from non-whites, and Bloomberg will guarantee a Trump victory by being basically indistinguishable from Trump. If Bloomberg is the nominee I will not vote for him. And yes, I will take Trump over Bloomberg because at least with Trump liberals will make a show of opposing his horrible policies, and I will be spared from having to watch the Blue No Matter Who crowd defend fascism because a (guy who ran as a) Democrat is doing it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

First Sanders is going to clean up in NY and Cali, its pretty inevitable he gets at least a plurality of delegates. Teh question will be how close he gets to 50%.

Second any foreigner including Kyr who is here on this forum has a right to comment on American elections because they not only are directly effected by our foreign policies but also because they spend time to know about our politics which is more then I can say about me and Greek politics. I say this as someone who disagree quite frequently with Kyr, so . . .

Wait...you're suggesting that Kyr takes time to actually know about US politics? I thought he was just conduit for whatever Bernie pumps out to the internet?

As to all the "is going to clean up" predictions in the world all I can say is maybe. It's a long way to those results, and all the predictions in the world don't mean that anyone currently has a delegate count that registers as anything but 'negligible.'

Heck, even for Saturday I'm at "IF Biden performs as expected," and that's only six days away. South Carolina still has time to turn completely upside down in six days.

 

[Lexicus]

Wait...you're suggesting that Kyr takes time to actually know about US politics? I thought he was just conduit for whatever Bernie pumps out to the internet?

As to all the "is going to clean up" predictions in the world all I can say is maybe. It's a long way to those results, and all the predictions in the world don't mean that anyone currently has a delegate count that registers as anything but 'negligible.'

Heck, even for Saturday I'm at "IF Biden performs as expected," and that's only six days away. South Carolina still has time to turn completely upside down in six days.

This is true, but increasingly it reminds me of the chorus of "well sure Trump has done well up to now but there's still time for him to collapse completely!" that we heard pretty much right up until he won a majority of delegates. In particular if Bernie can keep up the numbers he got in Nevada with Latinos he's gonna be almost impossible to beat in CA.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Yeah, in Delaware. No offense, but if you're gonna say Bernie is a far cry from the presumptive frontrunner on the strength of his victories in three contests so far, saying that Biden won seven Senate races in Delaware so therefore he has broad and enduring electoral appeal seems a bit...obviously hypocritical.

It's also worth pointing out that Biden won his first election basically by being really racist (opposing school integration was his signature position in those days) and then by kowtowing to the financial industry to such a degree that he was referred to as the "Senator from MBNA."

I don't think Biden has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination. He is visibly losing his grip. He looks old and frail. That's why, ironically, I think a narrow Biden win in SC may be the best outcome for Sanders (assuming Sanders doesn't win the state, which doesn't seem to be possible judging from the current polling). Biden is probably the weakest of the candidates arrayed against him, and I think the best chance for those who want to stop Sanders is to try to coalesce around one of the others before it's too late. The problem is they all have their crippling problems. Buttigieg and Klob can't seem to draw votes from non-whites, and Bloomberg will guarantee a Trump victory by being basically indistinguishable from Trump. If Bloomberg is the nominee I will not vote for him. And yes, I will take Trump over Bloomberg because at least with Trump liberals will make a show of opposing his horrible policies, and I will be spared from having to watch the Blue No Matter Who crowd defend fascism because a (guy who ran as a) Democrat is doing it.

My only point was that "the meme machine" is pretty much the same "gaffe machine" he has always been, so assuming that is going to stop him all of a sudden seems unsupportable.

 

[Kyriakos]

Wait...you're suggesting that Kyr takes time to actually know about US politics? I thought he was just conduit for whatever Bernie pumps out to the internet?

Actually, I am paid by the Kremlin. Trying to influence the result of the primaries is a lucrative gig.

 

[Estebonrober]

Yeah, in Delaware. No offense, but if you're gonna say Bernie is a far cry from the presumptive frontrunner on the strength of his victories in three contests so far, saying that Biden won seven Senate races in Delaware so therefore he has broad and enduring electoral appeal seems a bit...obviously hypocritical.

It's also worth pointing out that Biden won his first election basically by being really racist (opposing school integration was his signature position in those days) and then by kowtowing to the financial industry to such a degree that he was referred to as the "Senator from MBNA."

I don't think Biden has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination. He is visibly losing his grip. He looks old and frail. That's why, ironically, I think a narrow Biden win in SC may be the best outcome for Sanders (assuming Sanders doesn't win the state, which doesn't seem to be possible judging from the current polling). Biden is probably the weakest of the candidates arrayed against him, and I think the best chance for those who want to stop Sanders is to try to coalesce around one of the others before it's too late. The problem is they all have their crippling problems. Buttigieg and Klob can't seem to draw votes from non-whites, and Bloomberg will guarantee a Trump victory by being basically indistinguishable from Trump. If Bloomberg is the nominee I will not vote for him. And yes, I will take Trump over Bloomberg because at least with Trump liberals will make a show of opposing his horrible policies, and I will be spared from having to watch the Blue No Matter Who crowd defend fascism because a (guy who ran as a) Democrat is doing it.

I just wanted to bold the parts of this that really resonated for me.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

This is true, but increasingly this reminds me of the chorus of "well sure Trump has done well up to now but there's still time for him to collapse completely!" that we heard pretty much right up until he won a majority of delegates. In particular if Bernie can keep up the numbers he got in Nevada with Latinos he's gonna be almost impossible to beat in CA.

IF Biden performs as expected on Saturday what do you think the headlines are, if you are actually disagreeing with "Nomination is Biden's to lose"? I'm not saying I agree with those hypothetical headlines, just pointing out that the news cycle is ALWAYS going to revolve on the most recent result. They call it NEWS because they look at whatever is NEW.

 

[Estebonrober]

Wait...you're suggesting that Kyr takes time to actually know about US politics? I thought he was just conduit for whatever Bernie pumps out to the internet?

As to all the "is going to clean up" predictions in the world all I can say is maybe. It's a long way to those results, and all the predictions in the world don't mean that anyone currently has a delegate count that registers as anything but 'negligible.'

Heck, even for Saturday I'm at "IF Biden performs as expected," and that's only six days away. South Carolina still has time to turn completely upside down in six days.

That's more than I know about greek politics and I still lecture him on his natural antipathy towards anything Turkish. So. . .

I take your point about it still being early as completely reasonable even if I think its basically over myself.

 

[Lexicus]

IF Biden performs as expected on Saturday what do you think the headlines are, if you are actually disagreeing with "Nomination is Biden's to lose"? I'm not saying I agree with those hypothetical headlines, just pointing out that the news cycle is ALWAYS going to revolve on the most recent result. They call it NEWS because they look at whatever is NEW.

I don't know what the headlines will be. I can't say I think you're wrong because I think much of the media is likely to grasp at whatever possible straws they can to minimize Sanders' success and make other candidates look as good as possible. But I'm just not sure people are going to be convinced by it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That's more than I know about greek politics and I still lecture him on his natural antipathy towards anything Turkish. So. . .

I take your point about it still being early as completely reasonable even if I think its basically over myself.

My current prediction, which I think is far too early to count on having even a remote resemblance to actual future events, is that Sanders comes in with the plurality against two opponents who in combination are more than sufficient to control the convention. Who they are and how things unfold from there isn't worth even trying to guess at.