2020 US Election (Part One)

[adcarrymaokai]

Oh. We are. I am financially conservative with money. As I said in a different thread today, YTD our loss is 4.5%.

I think that's the issue here. You and many other boomers grew up in prosperity and have had all your life to save money for your comfortable retirement. My generation is burdened by student loans, inflation, a second economic recession, a looming climate catastrophe with no hopes for a better future. There is no incentive for us to vote for Joe "nothing will fundamentally change" Biden. We are completely screwed economically, and I would rather see this whole system burn down because I don't have a iota of faith in it.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

But you're not the "average American voter", are you? For someone who keeps insisting that Trump's re-election would be actively dangerous to their health and livelihood, your first goal should be to ensure that that doesn't happen, especially if it means voting for the lesser of two evils.

I'll vote but many others might not, but then again it's more a case of whether I actually can get time to do so, which is another problem.

 

[Hrothbern]

In any case, I am not voting for Biden. I held my nose and voted for Hillary, but if the Democratic party is taking my vote for granted, while pushing policies which directly make my life worse, they won't get my vote again. I have always voted Democrat because they are supposedly "the good guys", except I have finally realized they aren't. The are the same corrupt cronies who will not give a single damn about people like me. They feel entitled to my vote, but they won't get it anymore. I now understand why so many people voted for Trump, and I might do the same out of spite. I just cancelled my Democratic party affiliation and will happily watch it all burn down and dance on its ashes. #DemExit

They feel entitled to my vote
why so many people voted for Trump
#DemExit

Time for a new girlfriend to spend your loves and hopes on !

Don't forget or overlook how it was a century ago:

If you can put your hopes (and disappointments) here.. organising at the bottom... perhaps the Dems, voting for the Dems becomes a usefull tool for improvement without love (and disappointment) attached

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I think that's the issue here. You and many other boomers grew up in prosperity and have had all your life to save money for your comfortable retirement. My generation is burdened by student loans, inflation, a second economic recession, a looming climate catastrophe with no hopes for a better future. There is no incentive for us to vote for Joe "nothing will fundamentally change" Biden. We are completely screwed economically, and I would rather see this whole system burn down because I don't have a iota of faith in it.

I think that's the issue here. You and many other boomers grew up in prosperity and have had all your life to save money for your comfortable retirement. My generation is burdened by student loans, inflation, a second economic recession, a looming climate catastrophe with no hopes for a better future. There is no incentive for us to vote for Joe "nothing will fundamentally change" Biden. We are completely screwed economically, and I would rather see this whole system burn down because I don't have a iota of faith in it.

They don't get it. Things feel so hopeless that I CAN'T even consider far ahead in the future because I simply don't have the material wealth or energy to do so.

Something has to change, but Biden isn't it.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Much as I regret it Biden is going to win the nomination. I don't think much of his policies or him as a candidate but he will still be better than Trump if he wins.
4 more years of Republican gerrymandering and packing the courts with even more of their supporters is worse than Biden as President.

 

[Arakhor]

I'll vote but many others might not, but then again it's more a case of whether I actually can get time to do so, which is another problem.

That is indeed a different and more pressing issue and certainly one much more sympathetic than writing off both candidates as dead losses.

 

[Farm Boy]

Which system do you want to burn down? The one where every grocery store is a wonder if the world? Not that one I presume. I like canned food, myself. I don't shoot super straight, but people are pretty big and easy to lead. That one or a specific one?

 

[Birdjaguar]

I don't trust Biden and I don't believe he has any sincere desire to do anything other than enable the status quo of continuing to screw America over in the name of rampant corporatism and by continuing this decades long jig of the Democratic party by being socially liberal but essentially in lockstep with the gop economically and I'm tired of being told by people who DO have money that I should essentially sit down and accept that better things aren't possible

This is, for some of us, a once in a lifetime opportunity for change and it's gone so of course me and other's in situations that some may find intolerable are going to be pissed off and emotional over their lives effectively being condemned to the same ****

That is what my wife says. I tell her to vote as she thinks best.

You're young and this is not a once in a lifetime anything. You will have many more opportunities to be passionate about important stuff.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Which system do you want to burn down? The one where every grocery store is a wonder if the world? Not that one I presume. I like canned food, myself. I don't shoot super straight, but people are pretty big and easy to lead. That one or a specific one?

How about the system that bends over backwards to give socialism to corporations and the rich and austerity to everyone else?

 

[adcarrymaokai]

They feel entitled to my vote
why so many people voted for Trump
#DemExit

Time for a new girlfriend to spend your loves and hopes on !

Don't forget or overlook how it was a century ago:

If you can put your hopes (and disappointments) here.. organising at the bottom... perhaps the Dems, voting for the Dems becomes a usefull tool for improvement without love (and disappointment) attached

The Democratic party is like an abusive husband who beats you, but you can't leave him because all other men beat their wives, too. So I will just be single.

 

[Imaus]

If one must leave the Democratic party, leave after you've voted for Bernie, and allied candidates, for Bernie is not leaving, and he needs every vote to toss his weight around at the convention, and the allied candidates need all the help they can get, if they're in your area (Young, passionate Progressives in your area need your vote ASAP!).

That's all I will say in regards to leaving, demxit, not voting for Biden, etc at the moment.

 

[Hrothbern]

The Democratic party is like an abusive husband who beats you, but you can't leave him because all other men beat their wives, too. So I will just be single.

smile
yeah.. but nothing so warm as having a beer with those other singles, being single for the same reason

 

[Cloud_Strife]

That is what my wife says. I tell her to vote as she thinks best.

You're young and this is not a once in a lifetime anything. You will have many more opportunities to be passionate about important stuff.

I have no savings, no further education, I work multiple jobs, I live in a state and town that is actively hostile to me and I can't afford to move.

I can continue to tread water but that assumes nothing comes up and even the pollyannas on this forum realize that isn't how life works.

It is rarely better to not know people with whom you interact act with regularly.

I don't intend to make much if any friends here, makes the inevitable booting out less painful.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

You're young and this is not a once in a lifetime anything. You will have many more opportunities to be passionate about important stuff.

Are you sure? Here is what happened to me 2 years ago: I was changing careers and quit my old job to pursue specific training. I was looking for a new job, and an accident happened to me. Because I had no health insurance, I couldn't see a doctor, and my condition worsened. Now that I have a job with insurance, it is too late, and I will be forever crippled. And I know of people who literally died because they couldn't see a healthcare specialist. So why should I have hope? Why would I vote for Joe Biden, who said he would veto universal healthcare? Why would I vote for a man who worked to build a system which made me a cripple?

I wish I had your optimism, which likely stems from growing up during the best decades of this country, but many of us simply cannot afford this luxury. If global warming continues to accelerate, we will not have "many more opportunities to be passionate about important stuff" because we will be dead. Young people are literally suffering from depression and committing suicide at the highest rates in history, yet you come here with your "many more opportunities to be passionate about important stuff." I should be mad, but I can't even be mad because I am so mentally taxed.

 

[Birdjaguar]

The problem is the system and Biden represents the Democrats desires to stick with that system as well as to perpetuate it in continuity. I cannot distill it any more.

The "system" has always been rigged everywhere to favor those in power. We tried to burn it all down in 1960s. How did that go?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

The "system" has always been rigged everywhere to favor those in power. We tried to burn it all down in 1960s. How did that go?

Oh well better give up and let the elite have their way with you, after all it takes too much energy to fight back, right?

 

[Kyriakos]

The "system" has always been rigged everywhere to favor those in power. We tried to burn it all down in 1960s. How did that go?

So just because one attempt to change the system failed 60 years ago, it should never be attempted again. Ok.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

The "system" has always been rigged everywhere to favor those in power. We tried to burn it all down in 1960s. How did that go?

I don't know what you burned down in the 60's, but the fact is that a family could live on a single person's income and have a home and children. I have a well-paying job in a hot field, and yet I can't buy a home, and I can't afford to have children without going into crippling debt, which will transfer to my children and maybe their children. I want to have a family, yet I have no means to start one, and I also don't want to kids to suffers from the environmental collapse. That's just cruel.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Oh well better give up and let the elite have their way with you, after all it takes too much energy to fight back, right?

How is sitting out the election any different than giving up?
Edit: not you specifically

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Better things aren't possible guys oh btw please get out there and passionately vote for the status quo

The concern shouldn't be whether I vote it should be whether this turn of events depresses potential voters.