2020 US Election (Part One)

[adcarrymaokai]

I am the first in my family to go to college, and I am the first person to actually earn enough to be considered "middle class". But I only started earning a couple years ago after realizing that I have to sell my soul to techies to actually exist in dignity and not crippling poverty. I am not a trust fund baby, and my parents can't give me any money for a home downpayment because they are still paying for their own crappy home... and in fact, when they retire in a few years, I will most likely have to help them. So there is no economically prosperous future for me.

Meanwhile, Hunter Biden was getting 50k a month sitting on the board of directors of some bs firm, a job his dad conveniently got him. And you really expect me to vote for these Moderator Action: Snip Please.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I don't intend to make much if any friends here, makes the inevitable booting out less painful.

That's too bad then, honestly. They do not boot out people here very easily; to the point where we've had multiple forum meltdowns over highly problematic posters. You're not anywhere close to that, no matter how bad you may wish to be! And people do like you! You don't have to put yourself up on that cross.

The concern shouldn't be whether I vote it should be whether this turn of events depresses potential voters.

Given the high turnout seen thus far, I think this is overblown.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I think that's the issue here. You and many other boomers grew up in prosperity and have had all your life to save money for your comfortable retirement. My generation is burdened by student loans, inflation, a second economic recession, a looming climate catastrophe with no hopes for a better future. There is no incentive for us to vote for Joe "nothing will fundamentally change" Biden. We are completely screwed economically, and I would rather see this whole system burn down because I don't have a iota of faith in it.

Then burn it down, but don't expect sympathy from those you bring down into the mess.

Are you sure? Here is what happened to me 2 years ago: I was changing careers and quit my old job to pursue specific training. I was looking for a new job, and an accident happened to me. Because I had no health insurance, I couldn't see a doctor, and my condition worsened. Now that I have a job with insurance, it is too late, and I will be forever crippled. And I know of people who literally died because they couldn't see a healthcare specialist. So why should I have hope? Why would I vote for Joe Biden, who said he would veto universal healthcare? Why would I vote for a man who worked to build a system which made me a cripple?

I wish I had your optimism, which likely stems from growing up during the best decades of this country, but many of us simply cannot afford this luxury. If global warming continues to accelerate, we will not have "many more opportunities to be passionate about important stuff" because we will be dead. Young people are literally suffering from depression and committing suicide at the highest rates in history, yet you come here with your "many more opportunities to be passionate about important stuff." I should be mad, but I can't even be mad because I am so mentally taxed.

Your health care story is common and sad. I'm sorry. Yes, I do have a long perspective on things and have seen more than you. I'm sure you are smart enough to not need such hard won knowledge. Best dismiss it out of hand because it is tainted by not being yours.

Oh well better give up and let the elite have their way with you, after all it takes too much energy to fight back, right?

You are in a tough situation. What kinds of things would have to happen to get you out of it?

 

[adcarrymaokai]

Then burn it down, but don't expect sympathy from those you bring down into the mess.

It's fine—the people who brought about this mess have no sympathy for me, either.

Joe Biden literally said he has no sympathy for millenials.

 

[JPetroski]

I think some of you folks are in for sad endings if you're waiting for the government to write it for you.

 

[Hrothbern]

The concern shouldn't be whether I vote it should be whether this turn of events depresses potential voters.

yes

and I think that @adcarrymaokai made a good remark on that: "They [the Dems] feel entitled to my vote"

Instead of needing my vote.... and have a good enough shown empathy for me... it changed to feeling entitled to my vote.
If that is correct... it is what happened in so many other countries... with similar effects of spite voting.

A lazy elite
time to shake them up
make them work for you

 

[Hygro]

I think that's the issue here. You and many other boomers grew up in prosperity and have had all your life to save money for your comfortable retirement. My generation is burdened by student loans, inflation, a second economic recession, a looming climate catastrophe with no hopes for a better future. There is no incentive for us to vote for Joe "nothing will fundamentally change" Biden. We are completely screwed economically, and I would rather see this whole system burn down because I don't have a iota of faith in it.

inflation?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

inflation?

Wage suppression and hoarding of resources/rent-seeking by the rich to a level not seen since the 1920's.

 

[Birdjaguar]

inflation?

Wage suppression and hoarding of resources/rent-seeking by the rich

Not the same, though. The latter, what you posted Hobbs has been a "feature" of business for a very long time.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Bernie gave a good speech today about how he will be moving forward.

 

[Lexicus]

Clearly I would be a very bad American impersonator.

Wasn't that like the plot of Inglorious Basterds?

 

[Takhisis]

I think that's the issue here. You and many other boomers grew up in prosperity and have had all your life to save money for your comfortable retirement. My generation is burdened by student loans, inflation, a second economic recession, a looming climate catastrophe with no hopes for a better future. There is no incentive for us to vote for Joe "nothing will fundamentally change" Biden. We are completely screwed economically, and I would rather see this whole system burn down because I don't have a iota of faith in it.

That is what my wife says. I tell her to vote as she thinks best.

You're young and this is not a once in a lifetime anything. You will have many more opportunities to be passionate about important stuff.

In addition to the above and the ongoing (and successful) efforts to disenfranchise voters (look abroad, Putin has just made himself president for life, it'll be rubberstamped before the end of the year) I also have to add that we are on the verge of environmental catastrophe. We won't have ‘many more’ opportunities, at best a few, and they'll mostly be for mitigation and eventual reparation rather than prevention and aversion.

I think some of you folks are in for sad endings if you're waiting for the government to write it for you.

Which is why, as Abraham Lincoln once said, you need to change the government.

 

[Hrothbern]

Which is why, as Abraham Lincoln once said, you need to change the government.

When you need to breach a wall, you seek the weak spot, and you go ramming stone for stone
It is the determination that counts
and ofc not running around the wall and then giving here some ramming and then giving there some ramming.

It is now like some Germanic tribes plunging themselves to death in the phalanx of Roman Legions... than this tribe... than that tribe.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Trump just cancelled his rallies in Colorado and Nevada.

 

[Zardnaar]

Trump just cancelled his rallies in Colorado and Nevada.

Isn't he a Germophobe.

 

[Takhisis]

Also, I've seen the point raised sometimes that notAmericans cannot have an opinion. The US owns, just to name an example off the top of my head, a 30% share of the vote in the Interamerican Development Bank. The EU has another 10. With just that they effectively own the entirety of Latin America. So we, the non-voting who are ruled indirectly by the US, do at least have a right to a say, even if we'll probably never get a vote.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Also, I've seen the point raised sometimes that notAmericans cannot have an opinion. The US owns, just to name an example off the top of my head, a 30% share of the vote in the Interamerican Development Bank. The EU has another 10. With just that they effectively own the entirety of Latin America. So we, the non-voting who are ruled indirectly by the US, do at least have a right to a say, even if we'll probably never get a vote.

Absolutely, and I don't think anyone is inclined to dispute that. Now, if you were constantly spamming your unchanging opinion, as if we needed to be reminded of said opinion every page of the thread, people might say "I know already." They might eventually be reduced to grasping at straws to try to shut down the annoying stream, and one such straw might be "don't cry to me Argentina." People like you should know that the operative word in such a plea is not Argentina, the operative word is cry and people are just tired of the incessant squalling.




NOTE: The use of Argentina in this example should not be taken as a reflection on Takhisis or his country,

 

[Zkribbler]

Meanwhile, Hunter Biden was getting [up to] 50k a month sitting on the board of directors of some bs firm [i.e. Ukraine's largest natural gas co], a job his dad conveniently got him [not true. Maybe the salary was due to his work as executive vice president.for MBNA American , position asmaf Board member on Amtrak, and founding various investment companies.

It is not unusual for a highly experienced businessman to take a powerful position at a huge company and get paid lots of money. Do you have anything incriminating to point to? Anything at all?

 

[Socrates99]

It is not unusual for a highly experienced businessman to take a powerful position at a huge company and get paid lots of money. Do you have anything incriminating to point to? Anything at all?

...for real? How are we supposed to call out Trump for his gross nepotism and corruption while turning a blind eye to this? People wonder why #demexit is a thing. ffs...

 

[amadeus]

It is not unusual for a highly experienced businessman to take a powerful position at a huge company and get paid lots of money.

We’re calling Hunter Biden a highly experienced businessperson now? Sniffing a lot of coke doesn’t make you Michael Milken.