2020 US Election (Part Two)

[El_Machinae]

So, the fundamental problem was that you mis-interpreted Tak (no one else did, mind) and then came out guns blazing? Did Tak's clarifying post not help?

That's a reason why no one understood your question (especially since you then delayed the explaining of it), because it didn't flow with the conversation. There should be some self-doubt on your part. 90% of the reason why I don't answer your questions is because you've completely misinterpreted what I've said (and usually hostilely). So much so that clarifying didn't seem worth the bother. Interpreting people's writing from a few different views before dumping a diatribe might help you out in the longrun.

 

[Socrates99]

The original point was stated that Maduro just "said," these things, and automatic belief seemed to be demanded, just because of whom the alleged instigator was alone. I don't recall (and still don't think I've seen) any evidence other than Maduro's word on it's own. That, too, was part of my point. Do you see, there?

A pretty cursory search will get you the $15m part.
https://www.google.com/search?q=$15...droid-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Then there were the Bay Piglets guys referenced earlier. Private contractors employed by Silvercorp that tried to infiltrate Venezuela to facilitate the coup but were caught by the Venezuelan military. We know that happened.

Nobody's just taking Maduro on his word here. I don't even think he's specifically going against Trump as much as the US in general. We've had our fingers in Latin American politics for decades. In recent history Venezuela in particular.

Your point was we shouldn't always assume what someone says about Trump is true just because hes often a complete heel right? The point fell flat because initially you asked "but does trump have these things?" The answer is yes. Is it specifically a Trump thing? No, Bush had run ins with Chavez, Obama imposed sanctions. You dont need to take Maduro at his word if you've had your finger on the pulse.

 

[Hrothbern]

Would Eric Trump know at all the word Manga or Anime ?
I guess he has no clue how popular Mob Psycho 100 is among younger people
making it perfectly understandable that if you type mob in google search you do not get BLM riot mobs

What's next ?
The left has organised Japan against the US ?

 

[cardgame]

The original point was stated that Maduro just "said," these things, and automatic belief seemed to be demanded, just because of whom the alleged instigator was alone. I don't recall (and still don't think I've seen) any evidence other than Maduro's word on it's own. That, too, was part of my point. Do you see, there?

Belief is not demanded. The problem, the insane thing, is that it is automatically believable on its own.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Would Eric Trump know at all the word Manga or Anime ?
I guess he has no clue how popular Mob Psycho 100 is among younger people
making it perfectly understandable that if you type mob in google search you do not get BLM riot mobs

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What's next ?
The left has organised Japan against the US ?

What's his point? When you do it on yahoo, you get images of flash mobs.

Is his point that one should get pictures of violent leftist looters, and that Google is keeping the American populace from knowing such vandalism is going on by substituting other kinds of images when one Googles "mob"

Go search "dotard," "moron," "idiot."

 

[Hrothbern]

What's his point? When you do it on yahoo, you get images of flash mobs.

Is his point that one should get pictures of violent leftist looters, and that Google is keeping the American populace from knowing such vandalism is going on by substituting other kinds of images when one Googles "mob"?

Is his point that one should get pictures of violent leftist looters, and that Google is keeping the American populace from knowing such vandalism is going on by substituting other kinds of images when one Googles "mob"

exactly

Is Yahoo not mostly used by older people in the US ?

It goes BTW viral now on Tumbler

 

[Kyriakos]

Afaik virtually no one uses yahoo anymore.
Which is impressive, given at the start it was the #1 search engine and for a couple of years had ballooned.

 

[Patine]

Would Eric Trump know at all the word Manga or Anime ?
I guess he has no clue how popular Mob Psycho 100 is among younger people
making it perfectly understandable that if you type mob in google search you do not get BLM riot mobs

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What's next ?
The left has organised Japan against the US ?

Japan leans much more strongly, on average, politically to the right of the spectrum than the U.S. Fun fact...

So, the fundamental problem was that you mis-interpreted Tak (no one else did, mind) and then came out guns blazing? Did Tak's clarifying post not help?

That's a reason why no one understood your question (especially since you then delayed the explaining of it), because it didn't flow with the conversation. There should be some self-doubt on your part. 90% of the reason why I don't answer your questions is because you've completely misinterpreted what I've said (and usually hostilely). So much so that clarifying didn't seem worth the bother. Interpreting people's writing from a few different views before dumping a diatribe might help you out in the longrun.

No, I didn't "come out guns blazing," at @Takhisis' statement, nor did I misunderstand it (reacting to it differently and from a different than the majority of others commenting on it doesn't mean I automatically misunderstood - except under dystopian and intolerant consensus social circumstances). I only became annoyed when @Socrates99 answered a different question to the one I asked THREE TIMES, and self-righteously insisted he WAS answering the correct question.

Is his point that one should get pictures of violent leftist looters, and that Google is keeping the American populace from knowing such vandalism is going on by substituting other kinds of images when one Googles "mob"

exactly

Is Yahoo not mostly used by older people in the US ?

It goes BTW viral now on Tumbler

Afaik virtually no one uses yahoo anymore.
Which is impressive, given at the start it was the #1 search engine and for a couple of years had ballooned.

I still have a Netscape email account, which is owned by Yahoo, but allows it's users to grandfather in their @netscape.net domain. (I feel so old!).

Belief is not demanded. The problem, the insane thing, is that it is automatically believable on its own.

Look up a lot of conspiracy theory websites. When you get past the aliens and the pyramid scripts predicting the future and what objects on Mars are and such, a lot of it "seems," believable - especially about many well-known public figures, alive and dead. Most of it, however, has no hard evidence. That's also part of my point. What is, in terms of "believability," on it's own and by itself, to separate this from "Chomsky's Greatest Hits."

 

[Zardnaar]

Japan leans much more strongly, on average, politically to the right of the spectrum than the U.S. Fun fact...



No, I didn't "come out guns blazing," at @Takhisis' statement, nor did I misunderstand it (reacting to it differently and from a different than the majority of others commenting on it doesn't mean I automatically misunderstood - except under dystopian and intolerant consensus social circumstances). I only became annoyed when @Socrates99 answered a different question to the one I asked THREE TIMES, and self-righteously insisted he WAS answering the correct question.





I still have a Netscape email account, which is owned by Yahoo, but allows it's users to grandfather in their @netscape.net domain. (I feel so old!).



Look up a lot of conspiracy theory websites. When you get past the aliens and the pyramid scripts predicting the future and what objects on Mars are and such, a lot of it "seems," believable - especially about many well-known public figures, alive and dead. Most of it, however, has no hard evidence. That's also part of my point. What is, in terms of "believability," on it's own and by itself, to separate this from "Chomsky's Greatest Hits."

Japan's more old school conservative right, not neo liberal married to hard right religious.

I would say most of the world skews conservative in various ways. China, India, Islamic world etc is more conservative.

 

[Patine]

Japan's more old school conservative right, not neo liberal married to hard right religious.

I would say most of the world skews conservative in various ways. China, India, Islamic world etc is more conservative.

I didn't specify actual ideologies along the political spectrum - I merely stated an average "leaning." Nor did I specifically use the word, "Conservative," just, "politicalyl to the right of the spectrum on average."

 

[amadeus]

Japan leans much more strongly, on average, politically to the right of the spectrum than the U.S. Fun fact...

What would you define as “right” in this case? I’m only thinking because the wedge issues that are in America: guns, abortion, recreational drugs, socialized medicine, really aren’t debated topics.

A summary on all: abortion is on-demand, gun control very strong, drugs very prohibited, and no one is going to touch the medical system.

 

[innonimatu]

Black Democrats for corruption... for the sake of "diversity", mind you!

Black Democrats are urging Joe Biden to resist growing pressure from the left to impose an anti-Wall Street purity test on his hiring decisions if elected, warning that it threatens the party’s desire to boost diversity in powerful executive branch posts.
Progressives have been calling on Biden to take a hard line in filling out his Cabinet, with groups such as Justice Democrats and Sunrise Movement demanding that he pledge to appoint “zero” current or former Wall Street executives or corporate lobbyists to his administration.

But Black Democrats on Capitol Hill and on K Street say that’s in direct conflict with the party’s overarching diversity goals and would keep many people of color, including those with ties to the financial world, from ascending to key positions long dominated by white males.
“We’ve got to fix all of the problems that were created over the last four years,” said Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.), a senior lawmaker on the House Financial Services Committee and a member of the Congressional Black Caucus. “We’re going to need every hand on deck.”

Black business leaders that Democrats have floated for potential Biden Cabinet positions include Roger Ferguson, the CEO of financial services giant TIAA and a onetime vice chair of the Federal Reserve, as well as John Rogers and Mellody Hobson, the co-CEOs of Ariel Investments. The emerging debate over whether corporate insiders should be in the mix is shaping up to be a major point of tension within the party as it tries to unify around Biden’s campaign.

 

[El_Machinae]

No, I didn't "come out guns blazing," at @Takhisis' statement, nor did I misunderstand it (reacting to it differently and from a different than the majority of others commenting on it doesn't mean I automatically misunderstood - except under dystopian and intolerant consensus social circumstances). I only became annoyed when @Socrates99 answered a different question to the one I asked THREE TIMES, and self-righteously insisted he WAS answering the correct question.

No resulting introspection, eh? Fair enough. It is what it is.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Tonight on Rachel Maddow Michael Cohen said that if Donald loses in Nov., he will resign and get Pence to pardon him and his family for any crimes they may have committed.

 

[Socrates99]

Tonight on Rachel Maddow Michael Cohen said that if Donald loses in Nov., he will resign and get Pence to pardon him and his family for any crimes they may have committed.

Pretty sure he full on believes he's done nothing wrong.

 

[Patine]

What would you define as “right” in this case? I’m only thinking because the wedge issues that are in America: guns, abortion, recreational drugs, socialized medicine, really aren’t debated topics.

A summary on all: abortion is on-demand, gun control very strong, drugs very prohibited, and no one is going to touch the medical system.

Naturally, comparing two different nations' average stance on the political spectrum by only one of the two's "wedge issues," is counter-productive. I was referring to a more "generic political science class model political spectrum," if you will. And, I'm balancing out the lack of a tendency toward "far-right-wing nationalist extremism," to be as prominent in Japan (although such groups do exist in Japan - and their rhetoric is indeed scary) with the much weaker left side of the generic political spectrum in any empowerment or influence in Japan compared to the United States.

 

[Berzerker]

Tonight on Rachel Maddow Michael Cohen said that if Donald loses in Nov., he will resign and get Pence to pardon him and his family for any crimes they may have committed.

That means admitting to specific crimes

 

[Birdjaguar]

That means admitting to specific crimes

I think he could issue a blanket unspecified pardon.

 

[El_Machinae]

Washington Post had a paragraph on whether that's true

In 1915, the Supreme Court wrote in Burdick v. United States that a pardon “carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it.” Over the years, many have come to see a necessary relationship between a pardon and guilt. Ford carried the Burdick quote in his wallet, defending the Nixon pardon by noting that it established Nixon’s guilt. More recently, MSNBC host Ari Melber taunted Arpaio by saying he had admitted he was guilty when he accepted Trump’s pardon.

But Burdick was about a different issue: the ability to turn down a pardon. The language about imputing and confessing guilt was just an aside — what lawyers call dicta. The court meant that, as a practical matter, because pardons make people look guilty, a recipient might not want to accept one. But pardons have no formal, legal effect of declaring guilt.

Can't link, since I used the cached version

So, it might be contentious. I know basically zero about this other than what talking heads say.

 

[Patine]

Tonight on Rachel Maddow Michael Cohen said that if Donald loses in Nov., he will resign and get Pence to pardon him and his family for any crimes they may have committed.

The Presidential/Gubernatorial Pardon and the Impeachment Process are holdovers from the old, pre-Revolutionary British Monarchial and Feudal system, and not at all appropriate or acceptable to the theory behind a Republic and they undermine the very concept of there being any sort of justice possible in the U.S. as a nation. And, since BOTH the Republican and Democratic Parties do not, and never have, had on their platform or proposed policies doing away with these travesties, miscarriages, and violations of justice, as well as the selection of Federal justices for ideological beliefs and partisan patronage and spoils appointments rather than actual merit, which, while not specifically a Monarchial or Feudal holdover, is still a spit in the face of justice, from the fabric of U.S. Constitutional, or even bring ever the ideas of doing away with these corruptions of the judicial system, both parties are effectively anti-justice and antagonistic to any true and equal judicial system, utterly and completely. You will not find justice, or even the path thereto, by voting for Republicans OR Democrats.