2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Patine]

The mail votes started in Pennsylvania on September 14th, so 9 days ago.


Trump announced in Pennsylvania that on Saturday he will announce his Supreme Court pick at 5pm at the White House.

The candidates are certainly paying attention to the state.

All we know about the justice is that it will be a woman.
This is to help Trump with women that don't want to vote for him.
It should also avoid a repeat of Kavanaugh.

Funny thing is that choosing a woman doesn't seem to inherently court more female voters like the theory seems to go. Look at Palin as McCain's running mate in 2008. Hell, Hillary Clinton didn't bring in more hard habitual Republican-voting women in 2016 than Obama did in 2008 and 2012. And Ferraro didn't help Mondale at all from losing to Reagan under a landslide. And these were female Presidential ticket choices, not just a Supreme Court Justice choice prior to an election. So I think a certain myth has to be debunked here.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

How do we feel about the trump administration and state level Republicans conspiring to ignore the state popular votes and trying to have republican legislatures certify the electoral votes of that state for trump, even if biden wins the state? They are discussing this openly. In Michigan for instance, they'd try to convince the Republican majority state legislature to say our 16 electoral votes go to trump even if biden carries the state. Undoubtedly, Whitmer would certify that Biden should get the votes, so that's a whole cluster

Anyways this strategy rhymes with loo and starts with a hard c to me

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

 

[Sommerswerd]

How do we feel about the trump administration and state level Republicans conspiring to ignore the state popular votes and trying to have republican legislatures certify the electoral votes of that state for trump, even if biden wins the state?

How do we feel?

 

[Lexicus]

How do we feel

Hmm, my mood is summarized by the following lines in the 2pac song Death Around the Corner:

Am I paranoid? - Tell me the truth
I'm out the window with my AK, ready to shoot
Ran out of indo and my mind can't take the stress,
I'm out of breath
Make me wanna kill my damn self

but I see death around the corner

 

[Phrossack]

How do we feel about the trump administration and state level Republicans conspiring to ignore the state popular votes and trying to have republican legislatures certify the electoral votes of that state for trump, even if biden wins the state? They are discussing this openly. In Michigan for instance, they'd try to convince the Republican majority state legislature to say our 16 electoral votes go to trump even if biden carries the state. Undoubtedly, Whitmer would certify that Biden should get the votes, so that's a whole cluster

Anyways this strategy rhymes with loo and starts with a hard c to me

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

The only way Biden could possibly take office is if he clearly wins, the GOP rejects the vote and picks loyal electors who change the outcome, the military leadership decides this is unacceptable, and puts him in office anyway, and that won't happen.

 

[Patine]

Make me wanna kill my damn self

but I see death around the corner

If you're going to kill yourself, don't do it over Trump. He's really not the monster or dictator you and others are making him out to be. I mean, he's a wretched President, incompetent, irresponsible, apathetic, corrupt, and says horrible things on the cuff. But, as I keep saying, he's not cunning enough, doesn't have enough a coherent or solid platform enough, and is too overt yet not hardcore enough to be what you, and many others here, fear he is. George W. Bush was a lot scarier and more insidious as a President - but suddenly he's redeemed and forgiven of his sins by so many Anti-Trump types just because he openly condemned Trump .

 

[Lexicus]

If you're going to kill yourself, don't do it over Trump. He's really not the monster or dictator you and others are making him out to be.

Why don't you respond to something of substance that I actually said and not me quoting a rapper?

 

[Gori the Grey]

How do we feel

This is a trick question, isn't it? As soon as I tell you, you're going to say, "Well, f*** your feelings, snowflake," aren't you?

I'll still tell you, though. Bad. I feel bad.

 

[Patine]

How do we feel about the trump administration and state level Republicans conspiring to ignore the state popular votes and trying to have republican legislatures certify the electoral votes of that state for trump, even if biden wins the state? They are discussing this openly. In Michigan for instance, they'd try to convince the Republican majority state legislature to say our 16 electoral votes go to trump even if biden carries the state. Undoubtedly, Whitmer would certify that Biden should get the votes, so that's a whole cluster

Anyways this strategy rhymes with loo and starts with a hard c to me

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

Hmm, my mood is summarized by the following lines in the 2pac song Death Around the Corner:

Am I paranoid? - Tell me the truth
I'm out the window with my AK, ready to shoot
Ran out of indo and my mind can't take the stress,
I'm out of breath
Make me wanna kill my damn self

but I see death around the corner

This is a trick question, isn't it? As soon as I tell you, you're going to say, "Well, f*** your feelings, snowflake," aren't you?

I'll still tell you, though. Bad. I feel bad.

The REAL problem is, it's technically Constitutional, and prior to the U.S. Civil War, many State legislatures chose the Electoral Votes from their State themselves (I believe only four or five of the ten States that put forth Electoral Votes for George Washington and John Adams in 1789 actually calculated popular vote - that election was IMMENSELY a bigger deal for voters for the inaugural House of Representatives members, really - and even then, the few that voted for Washington (he was unopposed) and his VP from 13 Candidates (they were elected separately, not on a ticket back then) from the States who bothered with popular vote for the EV's had a VERY restrictive suffrage - not really much more generous the British House of Commons at the same time. The number of States who had their legislature decide their EV's dwindled over time, with South Carolina being the last in the 1860 election. After the Civil War, it was given up as a practice, and popular vote determined each State's EV's - but seemingly by voluntary agreement of the States and a few Federal statutes without Constitutional override power. This is a scary thought, indeed.

 

[Berzerker]

Why don't you respond to something of substance that I actually said and not me quoting a rapper?

you said the quote summarized your mood

 

[Patine]

Why don't you respond to something of substance that I actually said and not me quoting a rapper?

you said the quote summarized your mood

Indeed, I've made a few song quotes to emphasize points here and there on these forums, and they do indeed tie to the point I'm making. Of course, I usually quote '90's Alternative Rock, not Rap, but the same theory.

 

[Berzerker]

youngsters

 

[amadeus]

Of course, I usually quote '90's Alternative Rock

That’s CanCon for you!

 

[Kyriakos]

In his latest rally Trump spoke for a while of airplanes that are "hydro-sonic". I've heard of flying dolphins but this is ridiculous.

The fail never ends.

 

[amadeus]

I’m guessing he meant hypersonic. We haven’t had an elected leader in 20 years that had a decent grasp of the English language.

Clinton was a master of it. That guy could sell a ketchup popsicle to a woman in white gloves.

 

[Kyriakos]

I’m guessing he meant hypersonic.

You don't need a grasp of english to identify that hydro-sonic makes no sense, while hypersonic does. A less than entirely tenuous grasp of the subject you were talking about (airplanes) would have sufficed...

 

[Samson]

You don't need a grasp of english to identify that hydro-sonic makes no sense, while hypersonic does. A less than entirely tenuous grasp of the subject you were talking about (airplanes) would have sufficed...

You say this, but dementia makes these things much harder.

 

[amadeus]

You don't need a grasp of english to identify that hydro-sonic makes no sense, while hypersonic does. A less than entirely tenuous grasp of the subject you were talking about (airplanes) would have sufficed...

I’m going to defend Trump here again (and to be fair I would for Biden too) in that he was talking about missiles, not planes, and missiles can be submarine-launched so “hydrosonic” sounds like it could be something.

That alone is not the reason I’m defending him on this point. I think their age plays a role in how their speech comes out, and having to speak in public even if one is as experienced as Trump.

Remember Obama’s “57 states?” If you asked him “how many states are there?” I know and you know he’d answer 50. But just that way the brain works and slips up sometimes when we talk.

 

[Kyriakos]

I’m going to defend Trump here again (and to be fair I would for Biden too) in that he was talking about missiles, not planes, and missiles can be submarine-launched so “hydrosonic” sounds like it could be something.

That alone is not the reason I’m defending him on this point. I think their age plays a role in how their speech comes out, and having to speak in public even if one is as experienced as Trump.

Remember Obama’s “57 states?” If you asked him “how many states are there?” I know and you know he’d answer 50. But just that way the brain works and slips up sometimes when we talk.

I think we'd be better off not to pretend that Trump is aware of what "hydro" actually means. It isn't part of the 100 words he uses virtually in all his own speeches (which is to say, his ad-libs). Even if he once knew what hydro meant or had heard it, it seems highly unlikely he still does.
To drive the point home, his next line after speaking (for multiple times) about "hydrosonic airplanes" was to say he prefers to call them "super-duper airplanes". No use trying to pretend he isn't a cretin.

 

[El_Machinae]

Confusing the word hyper with hydro is one thing, posting a tweet that claims that 81% of white murders are committed by black people is another