2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Sommerswerd]

One should not take Bible study from pundits who live to spread ulterior political motives and message.

The video is actually not from political pundit Bill Maher, but from a cartoonist with the handle "Darkmatter2525", and his biblical deconstruction is actually pretty sound, albeit with obvious comic license taken.

 

[Berzerker]

Of course they don't. We all know you would never throw dirt on Trump. You are who he was talking about when he said "I could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and Berzerker would still support me."

He was talking about people who vote for him, I didn't and wont. And I occasionally criticize Trump, but not too much. Dog piles create imbalance and we have plenty of that already. Most of the posts here are about Darth Trump and the evil Republicans. Nope, no compulsive whining from your echo chamber.

For those wondering at home, Democrats are happy about that decision because the court was dithering over whether to include the Green Party on the ballot and had ordered the state to stop mailing out ballots completely while it deliberated on the issue in a transparent attempt to suppress the vote.

Are the Democrats unhappy the Greens got kicked off the ballot in Wisconsin?

 

[Sommerswerd]

Are the Democrats unhappy the Greens got kicked off the ballot in Wisconsin?

I am, because its going to screw up the mail-in ballot process, and potentially cause tons of confusion and ballots to be thrown out. If anyone benefits from this its the Republicans, especially Trump, because it not only helps them directly, by increasing the chances that more Democrats ballots get thrown out, but also indirectly, because it increases the opportunities to call the election into question if they don't like the result.

 

[Berzerker]

The Democrats in Wisconsin argued the mail in process would be delayed if the Greens were not kicked off the ballot. So you're unhappy because this helps Trump and not because it suppresses the vote?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The Democrats in Wisconsin argued the mail in process would be delayed if the Greens were not kicked off the ballot. So you're unhappy because this helps Trump and not because it suppresses the vote?

If you can't be bothered finding out about the situation why do you think people here should take the time to answer your questions?

 

[amadeus]

I think if there are any presidential debates this year that I should be the moderator. I would ask the bestest questions in the whole wide world.*

I require a few conditions:

• I write all questions and have the full right to ask follow up questions.

• Both candidates are placed in soundproof booths. Only I may toggle both the mics and the speakers in.

• Both candidates will answer questions, but the soundproofing will remain candidate A on whilst the question is being answered by candidate B.
  • (There would still be rebuttals, but both candidates answer first and then the answers played back on tape.)

• Questions will be limited not only to policy, but trivia and simple cognitive testing. Examples:
  • “Who was John K. Galbraith?”
  • “Name one language spoken in Belgium.”
  • “Which of the original ten Constitutional Amendments prohibits the unreasonable search and seizure of persons?”
  • “Remember this sequence of numbers as best you can: 447-802-954. You will be asked to recall them in five minutes.”

There would be no walking around, no pandering or trying to psych out the other guy. I think I could act as a pretty neutral moderator, and it would show to the public the true capacity of the men running for our highest office.

*it’s a reference to the movie Clifford

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I don't follow politics in the 51st state besides poking fun at Prime Minister Sweater Model, but the impression I've gotten from @Valka D'Ur is that Canada has a serious problem with murdered First Nations women and their deaths not being meaningfully investigated.
Oh, and that Canada's method of addressing its history is, to quote Yes Minister "We will appoint.... someone..... to look into the matter."

Romeo Dallaire is a hero though.

Agreed about Dallaire. He definitely is.

Canada does have a serious problem. The RCMP has a serious problem with misogyny toward women, period, including their own female officers and employees. Ramp that up a few dozen times when it comes to indigenous women. The only woman whose disappearance on the Highway of Tears got a decent investigation happened to be a white woman (a tree planter from Red Deer; sadly, she has never been found).

[USER=56602].

Well, I suppose you got me. An unacceptably lax investigation ethic of murders on a racist slant (which is indeed completely repugnantly and not being dealt with sufficiently enough on the ground level despite bold talks, policy changes, and goodly legislation at the top level that somehow poor connect in the middle) is far, far worse your government deliberately murdering, torturing, kidnapping, interning and detaining with no due process, and ignoring basic rights of immense numbers of it's own citizens and those abroad, and having no, or, at times, a limp-wristed desire to reform the issue, or recognize a wrong has been committed. Oh how unfair my accusations have been, RELATIVELY speaking, since you and @Estebonrober chose to bring up the issue as though it were a moral triumph![/USER]

Can we agree that neither country has a stellar record when it comes to these issues?

 

[Patine]

Can we agree that neither country has a stellar record when it comes to these issues?

I do agree with that. I was just responding to @Estebonrober and @Ajidica using that as a tactic to say I had no right to criticize or say anything negative about American government crimes and atrocities instigated by both major parties down there. It's the same tactic as when, in the Cold War, the Americans criticized the Soviet human rights records, and the Soviet emissary responded, "but America lynches Blacks." It's a hypocritical, disingenuous, and flimsy tactic of rhetoric to circumspectly defend atrocities.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

"I'm exhausted, I'm exasperated ... The fact that we have to literally beg people to wear a mask to save their own dumb a** from getting sick? I'm sorry. To me, it is beyond the imagination. And yet 40% of the country looks at it and goes, 'Yeah, I'm with stupid.' So, look, America, at this point, you have a stark choice. In the face of everything that is going on. I don't know what more you can take before you say you've had enough. Because my heavens, this is too much for a country to go through."
-Former Chairman of the Republican National Committee

And yet we are still stuck with Trump shills at CFC.

 

[Estebonrober]

I do agree with that. I was just responding to @Estebonrober and @Ajidica using that as a tactic to say I had no right to criticize or say anything negative about American government crimes and atrocities instigated by both major parties down there. It's the same tactic as when, in the Cold War, the Americans criticized the Soviet human rights records, and the Soviet emissary responded, "but America lynches Blacks." It's a hypocritical, disingenuous, and flimsy tactic of rhetoric to circumspectly defend atrocities.

Its not a tactic that would be used if you did not behave so morally superior all the time and I should point out that my point was changing to a parliamentary system would not necessarily solve the problems down here, not just a swipe at your condescension. England had a parliament while it pillaged India for trillions worth of resources. England and Canada both had very "progressive'" (from the Us PoV) parliaments and still helped the US commit these atrocities you are always going on about.

 

[Farm Boy]

As a kid I always had some doubts on why books like Esther, Daniel, Job etc were added to the biblical canon. They were clearly not the real thing. More a kind of interesting side stories from the time the Jews were living in Babylon.
When my father could get hold of a book with all the biblical apocrypha books, and used that as well in reading a quarter of an hour after every dinner with us all still sitting on the table, this pondering on those choices by the churchfathers of in/out the canon only increased.

They started making more sense when they stopped mentally being kinda marvel movie and more being the world we've got. The St Nicolas fistfight story about resolving a texts issue amuses me and grounds the context. People still going to whine about the world not living up to thier fantasies. Makes sense, people are imaginative and death makes everything a little sad all the time except when it's worse. Sometimes being an ingrate and whiner is therapeutic for a while.

 

[Lexicus]

The main denial I speak of is your belief that the Democratic Party of the United States still deserves any support,

Okay dude, you can pretend you didn't specifically say I was in denial about who started the camps. Anyone can read what you actually said though so I'm not sure many people will find it credible.

 

[Sommerswerd]

"I don't like shaking hands with people. I don't have to shake hands with these disgusting people."

Trump waxing optimistic on the bright side of how the pandemic would affect the campaign.

I thought this was a joke/hypothetical... but no, its actually a direct quote according to one of his former aides. He actually stated that a silver lining of coronavirus was that he wouldn't have to "shake hands with these disgusting people" (ie his supporters) anymore.

I have to say... this ironically kind of puts Hillary's "deplorables" quip into context. Clearly, Trump feels similar, and has explicitly said so. I doubt it will have an ounce of impact on his supporters, but still... worth noting.

 

[Farm Boy]

It didn't last time, well no, it did. But she isn't him. Everyone knows he's an assclown. He's the big Wrastlin' is Real guy, literally, like you say.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Everyone knows he's an assclown.

No. You know. "Everyone" doesn't. Thousands of people in Wisconsin weren't all waiting out there for 5 hours shoulder-to-shoulder during a pandemic waiting on an "assclown". Some people? Sure maybe... All of them? No way.

Even with wraslin'... some people think its real.

It didn't last time, well no, it did. But she isn't him.

But that's part of the issue... because if that's the case... then the outrage/offense wasn't genuine. She can label "deplorable" and its an outrage but he can label "disgusting" and its fine? That makes the claim of offense ring false.

 

[Farm Boy]

I don't like them in this mode either. Dude, I don't even speak with them about it. There are some extended family conversations in a more normal year, but I don't trust them enough to be physically in the same space with them anymore.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I thought this was a joke/hypothetical... but no, its actually a direct quote according to one of his former aides. He actually stated that a silver lining of coronavirus was that he wouldn't have to "shake hands with these disgusting people" (ie his supporters) anymore.

I have to say... this ironically kind of puts Hillary's "deplorables" quip into context. Clearly, Trump feels similar, and has explicitly said so. I doubt it will have an ounce of impact on his supporters, but still... worth noting.

One explanation for the people who support Trump regardless of what he says and does is their hatred of liberals. As long as he espouses those views they don't care about anything else. That actually makes sense as the unifying factor among all those "disgusting" people. They love Rush too, because he hates liberals.

 

[Patine]

Its not a tactic that would be used if you did not behave so morally superior all the time and I should point out that my point was changing to a parliamentary system would not necessarily solve the problems down here, not just a swipe at your condescension. England had a parliament while it pillaged India for trillions worth of resources. England and Canada both had very "progressive'" (from the Us PoV) parliaments and still helped the US commit these atrocities you are always going on about.

You completely missed my point entirely, didn't you. The Parliamentary system is not nearly perfect either, and the Canadian system, and certainly the British need a lot of reform, and I have not never said otherwise. And, my main statement in the regard you're obviously ranting about on improving the U.S. system was a healthy multi-party system with a free-and-fair election system that gave real choice. I have never said the U.S. should, specifically, adopt a Parliamentary System, or that their system should be a carbon copy of Canada's. Now, I'm getting sick of being misquoted for ulterior motives, and I'm asking you to stop, because it's only your credibility that suffers from doing so. And "pot calling the kettle black," hypocritical screeds on always trying maintain moral superiority don't improve your own.

Okay dude, you can pretend you didn't specifically say I was in denial about who started the camps. Anyone can read what you actually said though so I'm not sure many people will find it credible.

You obviously didn't grasp the fact I had broadened the argument of why the Democratic Party of the United States were a bunch of criminals, crooks, murderers, liars, and traitors, and deserved no support and no continued allowed to govern by any good person in the U.S. who cared about their nation and it's advancement, betterment, well-being, and any sort of integrity at all any more than the Republican Party of the United States, and they BOTH deserved the heave ho, from office and to prison and the gallows, beyond the border camps issue to the whole grand criminal schemes and betrayals of the public trust in governance they both commit DAY-IN AND DAY-OUT. I'm not SOLELY on the camps anymore. This is IMMENSELY bigger than the camps.

 

[Berzerker]

If you can't be bothered finding out about the situation why do you think people here should take the time to answer your questions?

The situation is Wisconsin Democrats want the Greens off the ballot and Sommers did answer my question, he's happy about it because the Greens will help Trump.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The situation is Wisconsin Democrats want the Greens off the ballot

LOL...nope. Guess again.