You sure? It's illegal here to advertise as a prostitute, and various other things which mean that pretty much any prostitute is guilty of something, but not to actually be one - that would be a living pig to regulate and enforce.
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You sure? It's illegal here to advertise as a prostitute, and various other things which mean that pretty much any prostitute is guilty of something, but not to actually be one - that would be a living pig to regulate and enforce.
aronnax
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Even I have to say that is the worst Federal State ever. A brilliant disaster ready to happen.
Awesome map though.
Awesome map though.
The Tanzimat reformers seriously considered, and seriously tried, to create a state in which its citizens are not bound by regionalism, nationality, ethnicity and religion, and create a unique Ottoman identity, coupled with strong centralised state (rather than the very loose confederation which the Ottoman Empire effectively was at the time; the "Kingdoms" present in this map are not necessarily autonomous). Considering what was happening in and around the Empire at the time, it was a remarkable experiment and for a time it looked almost as if it could work, a thought which did genuinely frightened conservative Muslims, aspiring nationalists and foreign imperialists alike.
aronnax
Let your spirit be free
I have never found the concept of Ottomanism in any way, truly realistic.
Even if you had Tanzimat-like reforms in the 18th century and stressed the whole Ottoman Identity since the 18th century, I would imagine the whole thing would fall apart very quickly, especially as a centralist state. Direct Ottoman control over North Africa has been a dream of Constantinople for centuries.
Even if you had Tanzimat-like reforms in the 18th century and stressed the whole Ottoman Identity since the 18th century, I would imagine the whole thing would fall apart very quickly, especially as a centralist state. Direct Ottoman control over North Africa has been a dream of Constantinople for centuries.
Ottomanism is essentially an ideology that transcends ethnoreligious identity. There were already quite a few of those types around at that time, so it's not something unique in that sense.
It could have been done during the mid-18th century, when waning Ottoman power compared to its European rivals made officials realised the need for reform, and when forging an Ottoman identity would've been somewhat less difficult as modern nationalism had yet to emerge. Unfortunately they tried to do it without first dealing with immediate domestic challenges, most seriously from the Janissaries. In any case dismantling the millets would nevertheless had to be done against some strong opposition. Not only Muslims but also Christians, especially powerful Christians who had authority within their community granted by Konstantiniyye, objected to the changes. In practice, the Tanzimat reformers left much of the millet system in place but secularised them; the jizya for instance became a "contribution" paid to avoid conscription.
As it happened, Ottomanism was developed in desparation, when nationalism was strong and when European Powers were looking for excuses to chip away parts of the Empire. Modern weapons, steamships, railways and telegraphs did arguably make the imperial centralisation effort somewhat easier than it would've been in the 18th century.
Incidentally, I've thought about using the Great Turkish War as an excuse to destroy the janissaries - perhaps even by accident - to make such a reform possible. The eighteenth century has always seemed like a depressingly wasted time period in Ottoman history. And since such an alteration would occur after the Ottoman state started being officially interesting (i.e. after Suleiman died :3) it'd be awesome.
Winkel Tripel projection (so it's, you know, extremely accurate and minimizes distortion). It's pretty much the perfect size for editing in any free edit program like MS Paint, GIMP, or PDN. It doesn't have a frustrating black line around the coastlines of every state, which is absolutely aesthetically pleasing and makes editing easier. It uses the basic color palette from any free edit program. I honestly don't see what the problem is. TK hates it too for no apparent reason and wants me to change all of the colors despite, you know, the colors being the basic palette.
NedimNapoleon
Weird Little Human
I also hate it, I think the flat projection with black lines is much more aesthetically pleasing. But that's just me.
NedimNapoleon
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Cylindrical, it gives you a "square" map also known as the Mercator projection.
EDIT: I meant square not flat, whats wrong with me
EDIT: I meant square not flat, whats wrong with me
Mathalamus
Emperor of Mathalia
i have no problem with the maps dachs uses. its actually quite interesting to see what his possibly twisted mind cooked up.
Oh, ew. Massive inaccuracy, massive distortion. Mercator is bad. If I were going to use a cylindrical projection, I'd use one of the equal-area ones that minimize distortion (but still include too much of it to be particularly useful), like the ones fc is kind of sort of not really working on and the one Paradox uses for the V2/EU3DW world map.
NedimNapoleon
Weird Little Human
I know it is massively distorted, I think Siberia is distorted the most, but it is the most beautiful
Ergo Sum
Prince
Winner said:
This is offensive to me and I am far from Turkish... A government is not the same as its population, the people in Turkey today weren't the ones who chose to come to Anatolia. To punish the people as you've suggested for being Turkish and inhabiting lands conquered by the government of their ancestors over half a millenium ago would qualify as ethnic cleansing for any reasonable person. To propose that, even jokingly with a smiley is disgusting.
Besides, most of the people who eventually identified as "Turkish" were the genetic descendants of the Greek-speaking Orthodoxals who lived there when the Turkmen started raiding there in the mid-1070s. Be kind of unintentionally hilarious for Winner to want to punish them too.
Winner
Diverse in Unity
Justice is blind
As you can see, the Kurds, the Armenians, and the Greeks - all of whom were subjected to (near) genocidal policies by the Turks in recent history - profited handsomely from this partition.
Turkey after the 2020 Treaty of Mohács (also known as the Treaty of Historical Justice):
Spoiler :
Ethnic Turkish inhabitants in territories returned to Greece and Bulgaria are allowed to stay under certain conditions (namely they change their names to Greek/Bulgarian equivalents, convert to Orthodox Christianity, send their sons to serve in Greek military's elite units, and pay a special "convert tax" for a period of 25 years). Those who refuse will be repatriated to the newly established Turkish State. Georgians, Armenians, and Kurds are free to do with the Turks as they did with them in the past.
When pushed to the brink of destruction, the Ottomans shall rise again!
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