Altered Maps X: Ten Time's a Altered Map

[hoplitejoe]

 

[Mathalamus]

completely unrealistic borders.

 

[mythmonster2]

Oh my god, was that map like that when you found it or did you save it with the most compression?

 

[Joecoolyo]

completely unrealistic borders.

You're right, too small!

Moar Ottomania!

 

[Yui108]

completely unrealistic borders.

You'd know

 

[Ergo Sum]

Justice is blind As you can see, the Kurds, the Armenians, and the Greeks - all of whom were subjected to (near) genocidal policies by the Turks in recent history - profited handsomely from this partition.

There is no justice in massacring a culture, which is what you were advocating. I'm not forgiving Ottoman and Turkish sins, but what we have to deal with is who lives where today, and maintaining the cultures we have today, not mire ourselves in the past. Now I for one believe that Turkey should let the Kurds their own country. Turkish government actions in Kurdistan have been deplorable, but your lighthearted tone continues to disturb me.

 

[Traitorfish]

The whole point is to make the Turks experience the fate they've imposed on all the countries they brutalized throughout their long and bloody history. Leaving them with a rump state will give them an opportunity to contemplate their past and present behaviour

Right, because every living Turk is actually an Ottoman aristocrat.

 

[Moshe Dayan]

Ethnic Turkish inhabitants in territories returned to Greece and Bulgaria are allowed to stay under certain conditions (namely they change their names to Greek/Bulgarian equivalents, convert to Orthodox Christianity, send their sons to serve in Greek military's elite units, and pay a special "convert tax" for a period of 25 years). Those who refuse will be repatriated to the newly established Turkish State. Georgians, Armenians, and Kurds are free to do with the Turks as they did with them in the past.

>mfw restructuring Anatolia like that will lead to a never-ending Arab-Israeli-style conflict

 

[Dachs]

Right, because every living Turk is actually an Ottoman aristocrat.

Nonsense. Everyone knows that the Ottomans weren't responsible for that stuff. But every Turk alive now did serve in the army from 1914 to 1923 and/or is Mehmed Talaat or Ahmed Cemal reincarnate.

 

[Tee Kay]

To be fair, the Armenian Genocide was largely conducted by provincial soldiers and (often Kurdish) irregulars, sometimes in defiance of official orders.

Edit: crosspost

 

[Dachs]

Yeah, the extent to which the Nationalist republic was actually The Islamic Republic of Turks and Kurds is totally understated, especially nowadays.

 

[Traitorfish]

Nonsense. Everyone knows that the Ottomans weren't responsible for that stuff. But every Turk alive now did serve in the army from 1914 to 1923 and/or is Mehmed Talaat or Ahmed Cemal reincarnate.

Well, "long and bloody history" implied that he was including some earlier grievances as well, so I suppose it's possible that they are both? They certainly seem to have the lifespans for it.

 

[Dachs]

Well, "long and bloody history" implied that he was including some earlier grievances as well, so I suppose it's possible that they are both? They certainly seem to have the lifespans for it.

Well, if he's talking about the Turkman raids of the 1070s, they wouldn't be either Ottomans or aristocrats.

 

[Traitorfish]

Well, if he's talking about the Turkman raids of the 1070s, they wouldn't be either Ottomans or aristocrats.

Well, we've certainly learned that the average Turk has a diverse resume, doesn't he?

 

[Winner]

When pushed to the brink of destruction, the Ottomans shall rise again!

...and then they'll be razed again

 

[W|M]

So the Ottomans will constantly be rising and falling, with no end?

 

[Winner]

There is no justice in massacring a culture, which is what you were advocating. I'm not forgiving Ottoman and Turkish sins, but what we have to deal with is who lives where today, and maintaining the cultures we have today, not mire ourselves in the past. Now I for one believe that Turkey should let the Kurds their own country. Turkish government actions in Kurdistan have been deplorable, but your lighthearted tone continues to disturb me.

I am not advocating anything, I am just having a good time trolling the Ottoman-/Turkophiles, which sadly are in a majority on this forum Thats why maps of mega-Turkey are always applauded, while maps of rump Turkey are somehow considered "offensive".

But I am done with it now, I've had my laugh

Right, because every living Turk is actually an Ottoman aristocrat.

Most living Turks continue to deny the Armenian genocide and are fine with what they did to pretty much every other nation in their vicinity.

>mfw restructuring Anatolia like that will lead to a never-ending Arab-Israeli-style conflict

Excellent, more fun in daily news bulletins...

 

[really]

Dublin rail map after proposed new tunnel.

Unfortunately this probably won't happen for another 30 years now.
The green dashed line is a current one that will be split in two and then joined up to existing commuter lines that stop .

Metro north is just a plan too.

 

[RedRalph]

When are they going to set up a Dundrum-Fairview-Galway City line?

 

[hoplitejoe]

Oh my god, was that map like that when you found it or did you save it with the most compression?

Found like that I can't be bothered to make my own.

I am not advocating anything, I am just having a good time trolling the Ottoman-/Turkophiles, which sadly are in a majority on this forum Thats why maps of mega-Turkey are always applauded, while maps of rump Turkey are somehow considered "offensive".

I have a feeling that you may be causing a lot of the mega turkey maps.
Also really? there are enough people in the forum which refuse to call Istanbul by anything but Constantinople or Byzantium to make me think that the Ottomans/Turks are really not that well loved.