Altered Maps XII: Not to Scale

[Eran of Arcadia]

Yeah, but there is a difference between saying "Hitler had no way of winning at Stalingrad (besides ASBs" and saying "if Hitler had won at Stalingrad, the world would have ended up exactly the same, except South Sudan never would have gained independence []."

 

[Dachs]

What does a Nazi victory at Stalingrad even mean in concrete terms? Like, what were the conditions for such a victory?

 

[History_Buff]

Don't hotlink, silly.

Spoiler :

EDIT: Wait, what exactly is the difference? Or is that the joke?

Only because I adore that image.


Also, I think if Hitler pulls something that can be defined as victory out of Stalingrad (whatever that might be), could easily change the timing of the Soviet advance, and thus the occupational boundaries. This might easily effect the boundary of Poland I would think.

 

[Dachs]

It seems to me as though treating a Soviet victory over the Nazis as inevitable is silly as early as that. Perhaps by the late summer of 1943, Germany had lost any realistic chance of a victory against the USSR, but in 1942? I don't think so.

 

[Joecoolyo]

except South Sudan never would have gained independence []."

Dammit stole my joke

 

[History_Buff]

It seems to me as though treating a Soviet victory over the Nazis as inevitable is silly as early as that. Perhaps by the late summer of 1943, Germany had lost any realistic chance of a victory against the USSR, but in 1942? I don't think so.

Yeah, after Kursk I think everyone agreed Germany wasn't going to beat them barring some impossibility like the western Allies dropping out. But I've also never seen anyone present victory at Stalingrad as a scenario that gives Hitler a winning hand. It seems almost certain that they weren't going to achieve the sort of victories they enjoyed in the summer of '41, and I don't see how losing Stalingrad would be fatal to the Soviets.

I suppose other things could happen in '42 though.

 

[Arakhor]

That image constantly annoys me because the original creator didn't know how to spell "that's".

 

[Winner]

What does a Nazi victory at Stalingrad even mean in concrete terms? Like, what were the conditions for such a victory?

Severing the Volga supply-line to/from the Caucasus region, followed by subsequent seizure of the (remnants of) the oil field there?

 

[Leoreth]

That image constantly annoys me because the original creator didn't know how to spell "that's".

The map annoys me because it's using Mercator.

 

[Tee Kay]

The map annoys me because it's using Mercator.

Posting this again


Link to video.

... and braces himself for the inevitable Dachstorm.

 

[mayor]

Don't hotlink, silly.

Spoiler :

EDIT: Wait, what exactly is the difference? Or is that the joke?

No South Sudan

 

[Borachio]

I don't see why that Galls-Peters projection should provoke any reaction.

 

[Winner]

No South Sudan

It's a joke anyway (the country).

I don't see why that Galls-Peters projection should provoke any reaction.

It's bloody disgusting to look at to begin with.

 

[hoplitejoe]

It is also not as much use for Europeans as there area we have the most interest in is really squashed. The rest of the world would probably be better off with Galls-Peters though.

 

[Leoreth]

Posting this again


Link to video.

... and braces himself for the inevitable Dachstorm.

Exactly what I was thinking of. "You're probably wondering what all of this has to do with social equality?" - "No, I'm wondering where France really is!" Alyson Janney is just great.

Also:

Spoiler :

 

[Civ'ed]

Posting this again


Link to video.

... and braces himself for the inevitable Dachstorm.

That video is heretical for mentioning Mercator as German and not as Flemish.

 

[Borachio]

It's bloody disgusting to look at to begin with.

You're a Eurocentric Afrophobe then?

Or just a neophobe, perhaps.

 

[Winner]

You're a Eurocentric Afrophobe then?

Or just a neophobe, perhaps.

Uglymapophobe, rather.

 

[Borachio]

OK. I'll let you off.

Can you get treatment for that condition?

 

[JohannaK]

Posting this again


Link to video.

... and braces himself for the inevitable Dachstorm.

Just... what... the... LOLS.