Altered Maps XVIII: Continuing Curious Cartography
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I'm a bit sceptical of the comparability of these countries' ancestry data, the censuses are all different in method, and self-reported ancestry is heavily conditioned by local culture.
The most obvious example of self report issues is the determination horsehockey which Latin American country has the most "Spanish" descent. Self identification with European descent can look very different from country to country there.
And for censuses, Canada for example asks for "ethnic or cultural origin of the person's ancestors" and provides space for up to six responses which allows for indigenous groups, ethnoreligious ones, and national origins.
Australia just asks "what is the person's ancestry" and collects two responses.and has no ethic or race element on any questions. This can make disentangling, say, the national origins of ethnically Chinese people tricky.
The US has "what is your ancestry or ethnic origin" and also collects two responses, but also asks a race question.
Mexico rather specifically doesn't collect much of anything outside Indigenous groups and is probably not comparable like for like with many other countries.
Brazil appears to only collect race on the census, not ancestry, and is probably not super comparable either.
This is all to say nothing of the trickiness of assigning ancestry from these countries to modern European states in some cases. A lot of those Ukrainian, German, Polish, Greek ancestors may well not be from those modern national territories.
As a side note there, just for fun, while there's a lot of Macedonians in Australia, the language is as common as either Serbian or Croatian, and there's plenty of football clubs sporting the yellow sun and red colours, I think a fair chunk of the Macedonian folk are actually Slavic speaking Macedonians who came from the Greek national territory after the war and the civil war. There's plenty of Yugoslavian Macedonians too, but it's both groups.
The most obvious example of self report issues is the determination horsehockey which Latin American country has the most "Spanish" descent. Self identification with European descent can look very different from country to country there.
And for censuses, Canada for example asks for "ethnic or cultural origin of the person's ancestors" and provides space for up to six responses which allows for indigenous groups, ethnoreligious ones, and national origins.
Australia just asks "what is the person's ancestry" and collects two responses.and has no ethic or race element on any questions. This can make disentangling, say, the national origins of ethnically Chinese people tricky.
The US has "what is your ancestry or ethnic origin" and also collects two responses, but also asks a race question.
Mexico rather specifically doesn't collect much of anything outside Indigenous groups and is probably not comparable like for like with many other countries.
Brazil appears to only collect race on the census, not ancestry, and is probably not super comparable either.
This is all to say nothing of the trickiness of assigning ancestry from these countries to modern European states in some cases. A lot of those Ukrainian, German, Polish, Greek ancestors may well not be from those modern national territories.
As a side note there, just for fun, while there's a lot of Macedonians in Australia, the language is as common as either Serbian or Croatian, and there's plenty of football clubs sporting the yellow sun and red colours, I think a fair chunk of the Macedonian folk are actually Slavic speaking Macedonians who came from the Greek national territory after the war and the civil war. There's plenty of Yugoslavian Macedonians too, but it's both groups.
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I've met one person from Point Pleasant and didn't like her, therefore, down with Mothman.
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Interesting map, but not that accurate. For instance, I don't think Papua's Island was affected by Ancient India, they were pretty much isolated. Chinese influence in pre-modern Indonesia is often understated. We absorbed a lot from the Chinese until we failed to recognize its influence within ourselves. Even the spread of Islam in Java, particularly, is thanks to the Chinese connection. Both Chinese and Indian influences were present. Just like the Buddhist Borobudur and Hindu Prambanan exist within the close proximity.
It's the Chinese migration and influence during and after the colonial period that's not well received by the locals in some areas, understandably, they were invited as second-class elites that often acts for colonial and against the local, the tension is a colonial product. However, in other regions, like Jakarta, the Betawi culture has a lot of Chinese influence.
The fact that a European liked this post is hilarious.
Extremely inconsistent and sloppy set of maps
Gives the commonly accepted meaning of Aotearoa, but not the actual name
Lots of incomplete etymologies (so "Papua" probably means "frizzled hair" but what about "New Guinea")
Lots of "land of the [ethnic group name]" but not telling you the meaning of the name of the ethnic group ("Thai" for example ultimately comes from Tai, commonly thought to mean "free" or "free people")
Grammatical mistakes (The "-ia" in "Australia" makes it a noun, so not "Southern", but "the South")
Gives the commonly accepted meaning of Aotearoa, but not the actual name
Lots of incomplete etymologies (so "Papua" probably means "frizzled hair" but what about "New Guinea")
Lots of "land of the [ethnic group name]" but not telling you the meaning of the name of the ethnic group ("Thai" for example ultimately comes from Tai, commonly thought to mean "free" or "free people")
Grammatical mistakes (The "-ia" in "Australia" makes it a noun, so not "Southern", but "the South")
A tv/news network simply has no business making maps on ethnology/etymology/research of that type. And given its identity (specific state owner), one can sadly be sure of political underlines
I am sure Samson saw something nice, but he would agree they can't be taken as a source (not that he would be taking them as such, nor that the thread requires such; after all, they do seem to be 'altered'
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