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Alternate History Thread IV: The Sequel

Discussion in 'Never Ending Stories' started by Dachs, Jun 5, 2007.

  1. andis-1

    andis-1 The Hedgehog

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    I reserve something in anatolia that suits me :p
     
  2. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    I see how it is.
     
  3. andis-1

    andis-1 The Hedgehog

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    Glad you like it ;)
     
  4. North King

    North King blech

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    Reserve Portugal if you use something in which it exists. If you use the Unenlightened timeline, Britain would be preferred...

    Actually, looking at the Arcadia timeline, Flanders/Netherlands over Portugal.
     
  5. Thlayli

    Thlayli Le Pétit Prince

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    Dis had a reservation for Portugal, but as he's MIA I think you can have it. All of this is balancing on whether das can TL this...if not I'll do the Unenlightenment.

    Either way, an NES2V-esque list of rebel movements and/or subversive political causes would be very helpful. Thanks. :D
     
  6. bombshoo

    bombshoo Never mind...

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    Is the American Civil War escalating into an early World War possible? Possibly something along the lines of a more significant Confederate Victory and a botched Trent affair bringing France and Great Britain onto the side of the Confederates, then with France being more tied up in North America (since they are also in Mexico) the Franco-Prussian War gets pushed earlier and a Polish uprising supported by Britain and France brings Russia in against them? At all feasible?
     
  7. Kraznaya

    Kraznaya Princeps

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    Requesting links to both prospective maps/timelines. Thanks.
     
  8. Thlayli

    Thlayli Le Pétit Prince

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    Unenlightenment is the third map Azale posted 2 pages ago. What we'll call the 'Arcadia' TL is here.

    Spoiler :
     
  9. Kraznaya

    Kraznaya Princeps

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    Hmm, for me- Arcadia (awesome name, by the way) is the most interesting nation in that timeline.

    As for Conde... can't say I like that map. =/ But what is that green nation? Venice? looks kind of interesting.
     
  10. Thlayli

    Thlayli Le Pétit Prince

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    Also, regarding the last "attempt" if it can seriously be called that...self created stats are ridiculous. I'd appreciate help on nation descriptions, but stats I can handle.
     
  11. Kraznaya

    Kraznaya Princeps

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    Which TL are you leaning toward? Arcadia?
     
  12. Matt0088

    Matt0088 Deity

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    If Arcadia is the TL you go with, I'd like to reserve Italy.:)
     
  13. das

    das Regeneration In Process

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    This will be the third try, I think. Good luck, but please do consult silver, if only because he already received lots of useful data from Meshabber of Dis and myself.
     
  14. Kraznaya

    Kraznaya Princeps

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    Silver's banned, unless my suspicions on his latest DL are correct.

    Also das, am I fit to play Arcadia or is there something you can recommend? I saw the long list of requests after your fielding of questions :p
     
  15. Flavius Aetius

    Flavius Aetius Ruler Of Liguria

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    I would like to reserve Venice in the Unlightenment timeline and Japan or the Serbian "Byzantine Empire" (as I remember they were a sort of Serbian nation that conquered Constantinople) in the "Arcadia" one. I wuold have liked to reserve Italy in Arcadia, but Matt0088 took it...
     
  16. Kraznaya

    Kraznaya Princeps

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  17. Thlayli

    Thlayli Le Pétit Prince

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    Matt, that's fine. Flavius, Kraznaya expressed interest in Venice first, though you can have the Uniate if you like.

    I'm leaning towards Arcadia. das, but I'd like to ask you (as others have before) to write a timeline. I'm really incapable of modding this without one.

    I spent last night poring through all of the material you've answered on silver's preview thread, and it seems that there's more than enough to put together a timeline. The sheer volume of the questions you've answered is greater than a timeline to begin with.
     
  18. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    Possible, I suppose. The problem with intervention is dual. First off, Britain is the deciding factor in intervention in the first two years because Napoleon was too timid at that time to do anything without the clear support of the Brits. Hell, that's part of the reason he blundered into the abrogation of the Russo-French Dual Alliance in 1863...he couldn't not tell his ally off... And Britain is unlikely to do much. Seward I think is one of the best unsung diplomats in history and he kept things working extremely well in Anglo-American relations. I doubt even without Albert's alteration to the British note that the Trent affair could have escalated too much, and in 1862 John Slidell's repeated failures in contacting Lord Russell are not encouraging at all. While the effect of the abolitionist sentiments of the British proletarians has been vastly overrated, the British Government simply weren't interested in even declaring the Federal blockade illicit at the time, much less in a war. It's been said many times, of course, that a diplomatic attack on the validity of the Union blockade would have cast a shadow of doubt on Britain's own use of the device. :p

    Anyhow, ceteris paribus in the actual fortunes of war between the Union and the Confederacy, British intervention is unlikely before Gettysburg, Tullahoma, and Vicksburg. Napoleonic intervention in favor of the South was more likely from a geopolitical viewpoint and certainly from a personal one, because Napoleon was both more sympathetic to the Southern cause than were even his own citizens (much less the British) and had a good reason to see a compliant Confederacy on his Mexican sockpuppet's northern border as opposed to an angry and powerful Union. But the problems with him were the aforementioned fear of acting without Britain before Gettysburg made British intervention a nonissue, and after Gettysburg he was simply worried that any French aid to the South wouldn't have had an effect.

    Purely in terms of me being extraordinarily interested in wacky diplomatic/geostrategic schemes, what does anybody think of Seward's plan to forestall American Civil War in 1860-1 by launching an attack on the Spanish Empire over the Spanish intervention in Santo Domingo? It might get Southerners on-side over the issue of annexing Cuba, and even as early as the 1860s (before the failure of a war with Chile and the rather embarrassing result of the attempt to recolonize Santo Domingo) the Spanish were an easy mark.
    silver's taken a lot of the stats off and as previously mentioned isn't formally around.
    What's with the concentration of peepz around me? I might as well just go back to the HRE after all! :shake: Actually, screw it, I will.
     
  19. Thlayli

    Thlayli Le Pétit Prince

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    Matt, okay. Flavius, Kraznaya expressed interest in Venice first, but you can have the Uniate. Dachs, playing with NPC's more fun for ya? :p

    And you people better have a bloody good understanding of the political dynamic and historical context of your nations, or I'll have you all executed in palace coups on turn ONE. Just reading sp's 'attempt' to write stats for Oklahoma made me cringe.

    das, I really need to ask you (as others have before) to please write this TL in a coherent form. I was poring through the mass of questions you answered, (and which silver assembled in his preview thread) and there's more than enough information there to put a timeline together. Clearly you KNOW all the major events and their order, you're just unwilling to write them for some reason that involves work. :p Understandable, but.

    I'm very interested in modding this, but I NEED a TL. I was always very unsatisfied in TNESI without a proper timeline to go off of, and I don't want to repeat that experience. So, if you really want this to be modded and modded well, you'll do it.
     
  20. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    Filling in the major nations with players who are reasonably skilled ought to be Item One.

    Admittedly, it is easier to mod a Guess-the-PoD map when you were the one who came up with the PoD and the map. (Ahhh, NES2 VI.) So yeah at least a kind of outline would be great, even if you lost your notes (I think you made mention of stuff to that effect sometime earlier). Hell, we'll help you ;). And if you're worried about not wanting to put in the work on something that's going to fail, I'll kill Thlayli if he doesn't actually go through with this, so it's all good.
     

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