Here's an idea: Why doesn't civver_764 himself come back and explain what he actually meant, instead of half a dozen other people arguing about it? All this fuss isn't shedding much clarity on the topic.
Are smokers an unrightfully persecuted minority?
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ywhtptgtfo
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You sound like a motivational speaker.
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Zack
99% hot gas
I'm very offended, please apologize to me publicly in the olive branch thread.
civver_764
Deity
I was talking about the "improving memory" part. If that is true, it has such a small effect that I've never noticed it. It sounds more to me like one of the many lies smokers tell themselves to justify their habit.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Why would I want to justify my habit?
There should be a song called: "Justify my habit".
There should be a song called: "Justify my habit".
civver_764
Deity
So that you can smoke and feel good about it?
CavLancer
This aint fertilizer
Close, I'm a motivated speaker. I hate the damn things and don't think much of the folks who made them more addictive to enslave their victims for the sake of the corporate bottom line.
Zack
99% hot gas
Yeah, I realized after I looked back that you were probably referring to that part. Apologies, I thought you were responding to the latter part (referencing long term negative effects).
civver_764
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No worries. 
ywhtptgtfo
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When I play EU3, I choose Quantity over Quality so that I can overwhelm people by spamming cheap and low quality troops.
Ziggy Stardust
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I thought that was the stuff in the cigarette.
Terxpahseyton
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Aha, so you think "Oh I am sure he pulled that out of his arse" and then come into the thread to pull out of our own arse that this was BS hm?
Ahhh.. let me taste that sweet sweet irony.
So you know, a long time ago I already read an article about the positive effects of nicotine on the brain. Relatively recently, I read another one. And it also feels right to me. So there you go, welcome in my arse.
Also, I would not actually advise to smoke so to be "smarter" or whatever. I mean not because of the inherent problems of smoking, but because the long-term consequences appear to be possibly really severe. Having blood flow problems in the brain is really bad. And this is actually the to me most intriguing reason to stop or greatly cut back.
I just wanted to give some perspective on the matter of economic performance and smoking.
No, you shouldn't intentionally take up smoking as a cognitive booster, some people accidentally pick it up, through a variant of Operant Conditioning. BUT, there might be a place for the nicotine patch in the future in this regard.
The cognitive boost is tough to tease out, because I think there's reasonable consensus that you'd have to be a dummy to start smoking.
The cognitive boost is tough to tease out, because I think there's reasonable consensus that you'd have to be a dummy to start smoking.
civver_764
Deity
^ I don't think smoking and intelligence have anything to do with each other. Has way more to do with personality types and who you hang around with.
Yeah you're right I really shouldn't have worded it like that. My bad.
I mean, feel good about the fact that you are a smoker.
Terxpahseyton
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I think what you consume has a lot to do with how smart you are.
aelf
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The gov'ment already won too many billions of dollars to admit that the tort logic was flawed fundamentally. So that ship's sailed. Now just wait for the moral crusaders of the 21st to get prohibitions on vaporizers without data ''for the chill'rens.''
I wobble desperately close to hate for such people, it frustrates me so.And being stupid is a stupid thing to hate somebody for.
Not sure I understand this fully. Are you suggesting that smoking in homes with children do not harm children? Or that it doesn't matter because the fate of someone's children is that someone's business alone?
It's just different definitions of intelligence. Some people have it mean 'capable of planning for the future they wish to live in', and other people associate it with the cleverness you'll test in an IQ test.
In the real world, these two things are correlated in their outcomes (IQ tends to correlate with the ability to plan for the future), but it's not an iron-clad correlation.
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Nope: I made two statements, neither of which were those.
1) The government won huge damages on the logic that it had shelled out increased expenses to its social safety nets because of health problems from smoking. The OP brought up the fact that this logic is quite probably flawed at the base, but given that billions of dollars have already shifted hands because of the previously determined liability, I think that ship has sailed.
2) Vaporizers, being very much like current smoking cessation prescriptions are probably not safe in the manner which nicotine itself is not safe, further actual research needs to be done on them. But laws and pushes for laws to treat vaporizers just like burnt cigarettes are proliferating without any information on why it should be done other than it "looks like a burnt cigarette," which harms the availability of a product which I know has helped quite a few people I know both decrease nicotine consumption or quit using nicotine all together. Thus, I think these people and their little uninformed push is actively harmful, as is their logic which usually seems to rest on "but this product could be attractive to children."
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
What? You're claiming that I feel the need to justify my habit, because I feel good about being a smoker.
Do I even get to have a say in this matter?
You talked about many lies. Can you name some more? I'm learning all kinds of things about me. This is really interesting
