Ashoka (Dhammaraja), World Renouncer / World Conqueror - Leader Discussion

[JNR13]

So we got a persona called "world renouncer", and when you google it, all the results point to a book which, curiously enough, presents this title as part of a dualism, the other being "world conqueror". That would fit Ashoka quite well, or at least a pop culture understanding of him. What's further interesting is that this dualism seems to be used to analyze the relationship between Buddhsim and politics. Now for the punchline: it's about Thailand, not India. But persona titles might be superficial enough to allow translocate the concept.

Now, I wonder if Firaxis might have anyone on their team who is an expert on Thailand and is familiar with Tambiah's book, and could've suggested those titles as a neat fit to describe the dualism represented by the personas...

 

[Siptah]

So… one of the alternative personas that come with the deluxe or founders pack will be Ashoka World Conqueror?

 

[pokiehl]

So we got a persona called "world renouncer", and when you google it, all the results point to a book which, curiously enough, presents this title as part of a dualism, the other being "world conqueror".

He introduces himself in game as both world renouncer and world conquerer too. I think it’s from the Switch footage.

 

[Inawordyes]

He introduces himself in game as both world renouncer and world conquerer too. I think it’s from the Switch footage.

Considering we saw in Civ 6 that personas don't necessarily get new lines, just new looks, Ashoka having two personas and his dialogue introducing himself as both is a neat way to both acknowledge and work around it without having to record more lines than necessary.

 

[Andrew Johnson [FXS]]

The Southeast Asian concept Tambiah is writing about there is often referred to as "Ashokan kingship" - rightly or wrongly, it is a model that's attributed to Ashoka after his (again, accounting for an over-emphasis on the doings of kings and other great people in Southeast Asian traditional history) introduction of Buddhism into the region.

 

[ls612]

I wonder if they will not include Gandhi in Civ 7.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I wonder if they will not include Gandhi in Civ 7.

I find it hard to believe they would leave him out. And while he's not a close fit to any of the Indian civs in the game, Amina isn't closely associated with the civs that she has for 'historical choices' for. It seems that they will let that slide.

 

[Zaarin]

I'm crossing my fingers that we've finally ditched Gandhi...but even if we have I wouldn't be surprised to see him crop up in DLC (just like Civ6 Alex).

 

[Piranga]

Looks like he's hiding a gimpy left arm behind his back. I can't unsee it

 

[Nikolai II]

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Ashoka, World Renouncer (Base Game)​

Lauded as a chakravartin, a "wheel-turning monarch," for spreading Buddhism, Ashoka had a checkered past. Known for his ferocity as the emperor of the Maurya, Ashoka experienced a profound revelation upon witnessing his slaughter of the Kalinga in 260 BCE. Afterwards, he spread a message of non-violence around his lands and abroad, seeking to steer others away from his own legacy of destruction.

Unique Ability (Base Game)​

Dhammaraja: Adds Food in Cities for excess Happiness beyond a set amount. Increased Food in all Settlements during a Celebration. All Buildings gain a Happiness adjacency for all Improvements.

Attributes (Base Game):​

• Diplomatic
• Expansionist

Agenda (Base Game):​

Without Sorrow: Increase Relationship by a Medium Amount with the player with the highest Happiness yield. Decrease Relationship by a Medium Amount with the player that has the lowest Happiness yield.

Starting Bias (Base Game):​

• None

Ashoka, World Conqueror* (Persona)​

Much is made of how Ashoka, the bloodthirsty emperor of the Maurya, embraced non-violence and Buddhism. But what of Ashoka before this revelation? Had he not experienced a profound revelation upon witnessing his own troops' bloody slaughter of the Kalinga around 260 BCE, his legacy today may be one of conquest by the sword, rather than the mind.

Unique Ability (World Conqueror Persona*)​

Devaraja: Increased Production in Cities for excess Happiness beyond a set amount. Increased Production in Settlements not founded by you. Declaring a Formal War grants a Celebration. Large increase to Combat Strength against Fortified Districts for all Units during a Celebration.

Attributes (World Conqueror Persona*):​

• Diplomatic
• Militaristic

Agenda (World Conqueror Persona*):​

Without Regret: Decrease Relationship by a Medium Amount with the Leader whose lands cover the most tiles and Increase Relationship by a Medium Amount for the one with the least.

Starting Bias (World Conqueror Persona*):​

• None

*Ashoka, World Conqueror leader persona is part of the Sid Meier's Civilization® VII: Founders Content Pack DLC. The Founders Content Pack is included in Sid Meier's Civilization® VII Founders Edition. It is not included in the Standard or Deluxe Editions, but is available for separate purchase until February 28, 2028 (base game required).


Source: https://civilization.2k.com/civ-vii/game-guide/leaders/ashoka/

 

[Zaarin]

Holi colors for finishing Sanchi Stupa.

Ashoka, World Renouncer from the Founder's Content.

 

[Guandao]

I hope there will be more than one Civ representing Iranian/Persian history one day. So much they could do, like Parthians, Sassanids, Safavids, etc.

 

[Siptah]

Huh, Ashoka World Conqueror not part of the base game. That's unexpected, at least for me.

 

[Zaarin]

Huh, Ashoka World Conqueror not part of the base game. That's unexpected, at least for me.

Me, too.

 

[FXS_Sar]

Introducing the First Look for Ashoka, including his World Renouncer and World Conqueror personas!

Ashoka, World Renouncer (Base game)

Lauded as a chakravartin, a "wheel-turning monarch," for spreading Buddhism, Ashoka had a checkered past. Known for his ferocity as the emperor of the Maurya, Ashoka experienced a profound revelation upon witnessing his slaughter of the Kalinga in 260 BCE. Afterwards, he spread a message of non-violence around his lands and abroad, seeking to steer others away from his own legacy of destruction.

Agenda:
Without Sorrow: Increase Relationship by a Medium Amount with the player with the highest Happiness yield. Decrease Relationship by a Medium Amount with the player that has the lowest Happiness yield.

Starting Biases:
None

Attributes:
Diplomatic
Expansionist

Unique Ability:
Dhammaraja: Adds Food in Cities for excess Happiness beyond a set amount. Increased Food in all Settlements during a Celebration. All Buildings gain a Happiness adjacency for all Improvements.

Ashoka, World Conqueror (DLC Persona)

Much is made of how Ashoka, the bloodthirsty emperor of the Maurya, embraced non-violence and Buddhism. But what of Ashoka before this revelation? Had he not experienced a profound revelation upon witnessing his own troops' bloody slaughter of the Kalinga around 260 BCE, his legacy today may be one of conquest by the sword, rather than the mind.

Agenda:
Without Regret: Decrease Relationship by a Medium Amount with the Leader whose lands cover the most tiles and Increase Relationship by a Medium Amount for the one with the least.

Starting Biases:
None

Attributes:
Diplomatic
Militaristic

Unique Ability:
Devaraja: Increased Production in Cities for excess Happiness beyond a set amount. Increased Production in Settlements not founded by you. Declaring a Formal War grants a Celebration. Large increase to Combat Strength against Fortified Districts for all Units during a Celebration.


Game Guide here: https://civilization.2k.com/civ-vii/game-guide/leaders/ashoka/

 

[Xandinho]

I hope there will be more than one Civ representing Iranian/Persian history one day. So much they could do, like Parthians, Sassanids, Safavids, etc.

We don't know the official name yet, but I'd be disappointed if they called antiquity Persia just Persia, and not Achaemenid Persia. The Iranian Civilization is one of the few civs that works perfectly well for the age system, as there are representatives in each of the ages.

 

[Siptah]

AWC looks great! His ability seems a tad OP?

We don't know the official name yet, but I'd be disappointed if they called antiquity Persia just Persia, and not Achaemenid Persia. The Iranian Civilization is one of the few civs that works perfectly well for the age system, as there are representatives in each of the ages.

Names can be changed.

 

[Guandao]

Chandragupta welcomes his relative Ashoka back into the game!

 

[chaosprophet]

Me, too.

I think it makes sense like I said just before, albeit it can easily just me being very optimistic about it, that the base game leader cast, whatever number it may be, are all unique, and the ones with extra versions, those versions come as part of the 4 personas for the 2 packs.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Huh, Ashoka World Conqueror not part of the base game. That's unexpected, at least for me.

Well, expected to me. Personas are more fitting for bonus content than the base game.