August 24th, 2012

Oh Come on Cutlass this is a bit over the top isn't it? I thought you, of all people, would appreciate that dissent is one of the highest values Americans hold dear - whether it comes from a lefty or a righty. If you want free-speech you will also have to accept there are going to be people spinning the truth to get their own point of view across which fits into their own idealogy and people who reasonably criticise. Your comments remind me of the old evil Bush and Neo Cons with the "your either with us, or against us" attitude.



This isn't about dissent. This isn't even about demagoguery. I mean, they truly hate this guy for no discernible reason at all. And it is a pure visceral hate with no thought behind it at all.

It's beyond bizarre. Bush was hated for what he did, not just for existing and being president. Obama is hated for no other reason than that he is Obama.

And none of the crap that is made up about him has any relationship to reality at all. You want to hate the guy? Fine. Have a frakking reason for doing so. Don't hate him for no reason other than that you made up crap about him for the purpose of hating him.
 
Bush went from near universal approval rating to almost nothing because of his actions, not because people hated him for his skin color, being "Muslim" even though he's not, "socialist" even though he's very, very much the opposite of that.

This isn't a group of people that were ever persuadable, they wouldn't like Obama even if he managed to reverse the massive job losses we had under Bush, managed a safe withdrawal from Iraq, won a war in Libya at a tiny fraction of the cost of Bush's wars and at a record pace, and made the decision that got bin Laden killed in a situation where the politically safe choice would have been to wait for better intelligence.

Here's why they hate Obama. From the words of my own grandmother, who gets all her news from the wonderful little mailings sent to her from conservative politicians, because she doesn't watch TV except for the bible channels and has no liberal newspapers and no computer.

They hate Obama because he's a "foreign Muslim who hates Christians and Jews and wants to destroy America."

That's why. It's not a disagreement about policy. It's because certain people are mentally ******** or senile and disconnected from reality, and they vote.
 
From the day of his inauguration the goals of the republicans were to prevent him doing anything and to make him a one term president. The very idea of him as president was repugnant to them.
 
From the day of his inauguration the goals of the republicans were to prevent him doing anything and to make him a one term president. The very idea of him as president was repugnant to them.

What was jarring to me is that they were open about it. Their leaders gave speeches about it. That's really all they talked about. That was their party platform these last four years: Not Obama.

That's not policy, that's being a sore loser. Honestly, this group of Republicans is the biggest bunch of losers in history.

I'm saying there's a marked difference. There was super-partisanship back under Bush and Clinton, but somehow legislation still got passed. Somehow, Democrats went to work for a Republican president, somehow, Republicans went to work under a Democratic president.

This isn't typical political football. It's the other team refusing to play entirely, and saying the other team is full of terrorists and traitors to the country. It's so un-American. I don't like to bandy that word about, because that's all I heard about people criticizing Bush, they were un-American.

This isn't honest or even dishonest criticism, this is legitimately un-American.
 
Yes, they certainly made no secret of it. they would bring down the country rather than compromise and help him be president.
 
From the day of his inauguration the goals of the republicans were to prevent him doing anything and to make him a one term president. The very idea of him as president was repugnant to them.

What was jarring to me is that they were open about it. Their leaders gave speeches about it. That's really all they talked about. That was their party platform these last four years: Not Obama.

That's not policy, that's being a sore loser. Honestly, this group of Republicans is the biggest bunch of losers in history.

I'm saying there's a marked difference. There was super-partisanship back under Bush and Clinton, but somehow legislation still got passed. Somehow, Democrats went to work for a Republican president, somehow, Republicans went to work under a Democratic president.

This isn't typical political football. It's the other team refusing to play entirely, and saying the other team is full of terrorists and traitors to the country. It's so un-American. I don't like to bandy that word about, because that's all I heard about people criticizing Bush, they were un-American.

This isn't honest or even dishonest criticism, this is legitimately un-American.

Yes, they certainly made no secret of it. they would bring down the country rather than compromise and help him be president.

This is precisely why I don't understand why anyone can rationally support the Republican party this year.

If a party has certain ideological difference with another party - say, on environmental regulations - then I can understand, respect, and take the time to learn about, their position. Good ideas come from all sides - it's folly to simply reject ideas based on who suggests them. I used to be against all forest harvesting - full stop. But I've since read more widely and now I understand that it's far more complicated. Like most things.

But in the case of the last 4 years, we see that Obama proposed policies that actual Republicans have advocated for in the past and the [R] congressmen vote against the proposals. But when it comes to expanding executive over-reach and cutting back on civil liberties both parties goose-step together. It's disgusting.

The republican congressmen have repeatedly shown that they are willing to sacrifice the economic health of the 99% for their ideological tribalism. These are precisely the sorts of people who aren't fit to hold elected office.
 
I'm still struggling to understand the derangement of the average American.

I understand there's big money and power involved in politics, but the everyday voter doesn't get a piece of that. What are they getting out of this besides a red-colored banner to cheer for?

You can't tell if someone is a Republican or a Democrat by their appearance or how they live. We do the same things everyday, we pay our taxes, go to work, complain about our jobs, etc. Other than how we vote and who we donate campaign money to, we're identical.

Being American means that, at the end of the campaign season, we set aside our political differences and go back to being ordinary citizens. Even if we think the President is a buffoon. We even offer our support when it's time to go to war. Hence Bush's massive approval ratings after 9/11; not because of anything he did. Because we stand united, when someone comes into our house and kills our own people. Our brothers and sisters, our family. Republican and Democrat alike. The Islamic extremist nutholes don't care how we vote.

The anti-Bush sentiment got heated precisely because the reasons for going to war (in Iraq) were largely fabricated. We lost a whole lot of lives, more than we lost on 9/11, and we lost them unnecessarily. We were lied to, deliberately, by our own elected government.

That wasn't partisan. That was based on not even incompetence, but actually un-American behavior by our own President and his administration. He killed our own troops for reasons that were questionable, sold to us as lies. And the Democrats stood right there and supported him throughout all of it, because they're not purely partisan. They're just stupid.

That's how you get legitimate anti-President sentiment. Think Nixon: He became massively more unpopular because of stuff he did, not because of his name or his background or his political party.


From whence comes the Obama hatred?

Since it began before he even took his oath of office, we can naturally assume it has nothing to do with his actual record as President. Since Republicans began systematic obstruction, filibustering, delaying approval of appointments of non-political positions in government, and continued lying about what the President wanted to accomplish in office after the campaign season was over, I conclude that the reasons are ad hominem. They have nothing to do with Obama's policies or political party. It's somehow personal.

How has the country changed, in any substantive way, since Obama took over?

Economic recovery has been slow, as every economist predicted. There was no quick fix. McCain wouldn't have pulled magic out of his butt. And the economy became the way it is due to removal of basic oversights in government, which would of course be "free market" conservative drivel proven drastically wrong, as it always is. Not government over-regulation, as the Republicans keep harping on, completely disconnected from all sense of reality, cause or effect.

Is Gitmo closed? No.

Troops on the ground in Afghanistan? Yes.

Tax rate essentially the same? Yup. Tax breaks keep getting extended. Doesn't match the conservative rhetoric that Obama will raise everyone's taxes sky-high. Wake me when we get back up to Clintonian levels.

Legal rights? The protections for businesses and a much more liberal definition of personhood has actually made businesses stronger, both politically and legally, than ever before. Hardly a communist wasteland where no one wants to operate a business.

What has Obama done? What has he changed, that so enraged the sane people on the right?

Answer: Absolutely nothing. It's the same country with almost all the same policies put in place. The healthcare legislation was passed without Republican help, but with well more Republican input than they deserved. Repeal and replace is a fantasy, it won't happen, because the Republicans have agreed to replace it with nothing.

Obama is a Muslim socialist commie-Nazi because he's not white and Republican. Near as I can tell, that's the entire reason he's "worse than Jimmy Carter".

In reality, he's a compromising centrist who has done enough to tick off liberals, and continue Bush's policies in many cases, that the Republicans should be championing him as their hero of compromise.

It's hysterical. He's literally about as conservative as Reagan, but the Republicans have gone so far off the deep end, that they cannot tell where anything lies on the political compass, they just assume it is to the left of them. The extreme left, mind you. Nothing they say has any connection to anything that could be construed as reality, and more and more, people are proudly flouting how insanely far to the right they are, as if it's some kind of accomplishment, or as if it were a reasonable position to take, or as if wingnut insanity was the solution to bring the country together or move it forward.

This is an era where irrational hatred and blind partisan extremism is seen as something courageous, and all it does is tear the country into pieces.

These are the shameful idiots, the moral cowards, the parasites who live off of the very same government they condemn, the real traitors. They attack everything that represents America- a land united in brotherhood not because everyone lives in the same state with the same politics, with the same ethnic background, but because this is a place where none of those things should matter, and we're united in spite of it, our differences.

Being Republican isn't a crime, but being Republican first over being American should be recognized as despicable, because it is. That's what this group of Republicans represents. Blind, shameful, aggressively ignorant partisanship. And unlike the shrill, panic-stricken voices of the Tea Party wackos, I can point to an actual change. They weren't always like this. Politics was not always such a railroad. There used to be some nuance in the Republican platform, whether I agreed or disagreed with it.

Right now it represents nothing but shameful cowardice. And to those of you who will be voting not for Romney, but against Obama, I think I can safely write you all off as political cheerleaders without a thought in your heads at this point. What does Romney actually represent that's different from the last 4, 12, 20 years? What consistent viewpoint has he ever held? Remember, he used to disagree with most of what he's currently saying.

Nothing. But he's saying Obama is wrong for America, so I guess that's a political platform according to some people. I would congratulate these people on how far they've gotten with base, pointless, mindless hatred, but I note the division among the Christian conservatives who think Romney isn't a Christian. It just goes to show you how dumb people get when they're playing the dumb politics game. Eventually it becomes so divisive, that it eats itself. There's a shameful part of me that hopes that is exactly the kind of thing that causes Romney to lose- mindless bigotry. What more fitting end to a movement based on divisiveness and ignorance, than to be devoured by it's own stupidity.
 
Bush went from near universal approval rating to almost nothing because of his actions, not because people hated him for his skin color, being "Muslim" even though he's not, "socialist" even though he's very, very much the opposite of that.

This isn't a group of people that were ever persuadable, they wouldn't like Obama even if he managed to reverse the massive job losses we had under Bush, managed a safe withdrawal from Iraq, won a war in Libya at a tiny fraction of the cost of Bush's wars and at a record pace, and made the decision that got bin Laden killed in a situation where the politically safe choice would have been to wait for better intelligence.

Here's why they hate Obama. From the words of my own grandmother, who gets all her news from the wonderful little mailings sent to her from conservative politicians, because she doesn't watch TV except for the bible channels and has no liberal newspapers and no computer.

They hate Obama because he's a "foreign Muslim who hates Christians and Jews and wants to destroy America."
That's why. It's not a disagreement about policy. It's because certain people are mentally ******** or senile and disconnected from reality, and they vote.
Please at least show a bit of politeness towards others in the future, perhaps?

EDIT: Also, please stop saying people hate Obama because he's black. Apart from a few racists that are bound to pop up here and there, there is no significant evidence to prove that that is a key factor in Republican hatred for Obama.
 
Please at least show a bit of politeness towards others in the future, perhaps?

EDIT: Also, please stop saying people hate Obama because he's black. Apart from a few racists that are bound to pop up here and there, there is no significant evidence to prove that that is a key factor in Republican hatred for Obama.

Then why is there such a rabid hatred for Obama? It certainly isn't for anything he DID as President. The hatred started before he ever became President. Since you say it isn't due to any racial motive, there must be SOME reason. Perhaps you know what it is?
 
Then why is there such a rabid hatred for Obama? It certainly isn't for anything he DID as President. The hatred started before he ever became President. Since you say it isn't due to any racial motive, there must be SOME reason. Perhaps you know what it is?

They correlate the president's actions with the state of the economy, so the actions of Bush or the Senate (or China) would be credited to him. Also, the Tea Party movement and uncompromising politicians helped. Besides, if Republicans hate Obama for being black, then why did so many of them support Herman Cain?
 
You want to hate the guy? Fine. Have a frakking reason for doing so. Don't hate him for no reason other than that you made up crap about him for the purpose of hating him.
You want reasons to hate this piece of scum. Fine. I'll give them to you. In no particular order:

1) He promised to shut down Gitmo. He didn't.

2) He promised to back off on the drug war. He didn't.

3) He backed TARP, subsidies for his bankster friends.

4) He gave us the "stimulus", subsidies for his union friends.

5) He has no clue about anything. His entire pathetic existence has always been about theft from decent folk to murder decent folk. He makes jokes about it.

6) I could go on but I think I've made my point.
 
You want reasons to hate this piece of scum. Fine. I'll give them to you. In no particular order:

1) He promised to shut down Gitmo. He didn't.

2) He promised to back off on the drug war. He didn't.

3) He backed TARP, subsidies for his bankster friends.

4) He gave us the "stimulus", subsidies for his union friends.

5) He has no clue about anything. His entire pathetic existence has always been about theft from decent folk to murder decent folk. He makes jokes about it.

6) I could go on but I think I've made my point.

While I could understand 1 to 4 (although I question the "union" friends bit,) 5 is pure nothing to a debate part from your conpiracy theories and questionable view to anyone not sharing your views.

And 6 is just a waste of typing.

From what I can see, Cutlass has never had a point. What do you think his point is?

Insulting people who made a point. This only builds up your own point.:mischief:

No wonder Something Awful dislikes Libertarians...
 
Yes but THEFT
 
Dinesh D'Souza should have to cough up his birth certificate.
 
This is precisely why I don't understand why anyone can rationally support the Republican party this year.

If a party has certain ideological difference with another party - say, on environmental regulations - then I can understand, respect, and take the time to learn about, their position. Good ideas come from all sides - it's folly to simply reject ideas based on who suggests them. I used to be against all forest harvesting - full stop. But I've since read more widely and now I understand that it's far more complicated. Like most things.

But in the case of the last 4 years, we see that Obama proposed policies that actual Republicans have advocated for in the past and the [R] congressmen vote against the proposals. But when it comes to expanding executive over-reach and cutting back on civil liberties both parties goose-step together. It's disgusting.

The republican congressmen have repeatedly shown that they are willing to sacrifice the economic health of the 99% for their ideological tribalism. These are precisely the sorts of people who aren't fit to hold elected office.

That's why I'm voting 3rd party. The Republicans haven't learned their lesson with regards to their warmongering, and they are obstructing the government, causing it to fail. I have no problem with them voting no towards legislation they don't support. But the filibustering is unethical in my point of view.

Not that I think Obama's policies would succeed mind you. I actually want the Republicans to pass the democrats economic policies so the whole world can see just how wrong an entitlement economy truly is.
 
Please at least show a bit of politeness towards others in the future, perhaps?

EDIT: Also, please stop saying people hate Obama because he's black. Apart from a few racists that are bound to pop up here and there, there is no significant evidence to prove that that is a key factor in Republican hatred for Obama.


The problem with saying this is that no one has given a reason, anything that Obama has done, which would result in the hate. So certainly there is some speculation, and some assignment of the basest of motives. But what is the alternative? No one has said anything about any reason for hating Obama. Not anything that isn't blatantly false. They can't hate him for being a Muslim, for no one being honest can think that he is a Muslim. They can't hate him for being a socialist, for no one being honest can think that he is a socialist. They can't hate him for being a radical, for no one being honest can think that he is a radical. They can't hate him for being a Kenyan, for no one being honest can think that he is a Kenyan. They can't hate him for trying to radically change the country, for no one being honest can think that he is trying to radically change the country.

Not to mention that the hate started long before he did anything at all other than run for president.

So where, and for what reason, does such extreme hate come from? What has he done that is divisive? No one has pointed out anything that isn't blatantly and obviously false.
 
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