Brazil's UU: Pracinhas

[Oridan]

Snake icon is cool

http://www.vandal.net/cgi-bin/vinot.pl?n=1350635809&i=7

What exactly are the cities building?

 

[Avatan]

What exactly are the cities building?

Another pracinhas I suppose.

 

[Jabberwockxeno]

Hmm, this suggests that infantry still represents WW2 era soliders.

Darn. Am I the only one who thinks its stupid to have one unit per world war, which used mostly the same types of weapons, and none for the cold war era when modern military forces came about?

 

[Njegos]

Am a little bit dissapointed, first of all this is to late period for Brasil UU, and also, cmon, that brasilian involment in WWII was so minor and noone heard of these guys, i mean panzers and zeroes are legends of that period, brasil should only have some kind of riflmen unit from theyre war with Paraguay and nothing else is worth mentioning or considering, coz its making something famous and known, out of nothing...or at list minor

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

They were legends to the Brazilians and they impressed their American allies with their bravery and effectiveness in spite of not being an elite fighting force. Maybe it is we who are wrong in overlooking their contribution.

I feel bad for initially assuming they would be a low-cost version of the standard infantry. That pretty much sells the Brazilians short.

 

[bagas12]

Am a little bit dissapointed, first of all this is to late period for Brasil UU, and also, cmon, that brasilian involment in WWII was so minor and noone heard of these guys, i mean panzers and zeroes are legends of that period, brasil should only have some kind of riflmen unit from theyre war with Paraguay and nothing else is worth mentioning or considering, coz its making something famous and known, out of nothing...or at list minor

well, for some people that dont care about history everything will be easy unheard of, at least now you know about FEB. Thats why i love these games, you learn history in a fun way.

Still FEB is important in brazil history, and people who like studying modern military and ww2 military find out about the guys from Monte Castello

Anyway i will say some about FEB that is worth about their campaign

They did 445 missions in about 6 months.
They manage to take Mounte Castello ,Casteunovo, Belvedere e Della Torraccia (heavy artillery possitions) in a joint operation with allied forces.
This way they opened a way to pass the gothic line (after 8 months of attempts) and take north italy

Survived a barrage of about 1800 shots of artillery in Montese

At Fornovo di Taro despite inferior numbers with a tatical manuver form the general they manage to capture Otto Fretter-Pico and obtain the surrender of 148th German Infantry Division (with many experienced soldiers in combat came from the Russian front)

They managed to capture and surrender two times their numbers.

 

[Securion]

I dont want to rain on your parade here, but, the battle at Monte Castello was actually won by artillery fire... not many people know that...
I do like more late game units though, so i wont complain.

 

[Dragonflow]

Hmm, this suggests that infantry still represents WW2 era soliders.

Darn. Am I the only one who thinks its stupid to have one unit per world war, which used mostly the same types of weapons, and none for the cold war era when modern military forces came about?

Great War Infantry: 1900-1930s
Infantry: 1930s-1960s
Mech Infantry: 1970s-today

Current infantry is more or less the infantry used during the Italo-Ethiopian War, WW2, First Indochina War, Korean War, Vietnam and Arab-Israeli Wars.
I think this is actually a more or less good division, a lot better then infantry representing everything from 1900-1960s ihmo.

 

[Njegos]

This game is also about general knoweledge and turning history points,most famous artists,leaders...civilizations after all, and IMO WW2 is not quite well represented with these less important figures, what about new zealand/ausie exp force in Gallipoli in WWI, i mean only 1k soldiers brasil lost in WW2, thats sooo minor compared to these force that marched litteraly into death on rocky turk coast ?
I mean so many are not included and u make room for some that would be so far from the priorities...

 

[Jabberwockxeno]

Great War Infantry: 1900-1930s
Infantry: 1930s-1960s
Mech Infantry: 1970s-today

Current infantry is more or less the infantry used during the Italo-Ethiopian War, WW2, First Indochina War, Korean War, Vietnam and Arab-Israeli Wars.
I think this is actually a more or less good division, a lot better then infantry representing everything from 1900-1960s ihmo.

That's how it SHOULD be , but as of now infantry represents WW2.

I think they should change it so it represents cold war/Vietnam era soliders, and make great war infantry cover both world wars

 

[codepoet]

The right is Pra-s-inhas, like Celts is "S-elts"
Edit.: Lecen and Liex are right.

Heh - fail example.
Most that think this know the name from the Boston Celtics... which everyone pronounces with an "S" sound; but it's not correct

 

[Uberfrog]

Heh - fail example.
Most that think this know the name from the Boston Celtics... which everyone pronounces with an "S" sound; but it's not correct

They probably inherited that from Glasgow Celtic, pronounced the same way .

 

[codepoet]

Regarding the questions of what so special about this unit?
I think this is the best kind of unique unit. It's what's important to the culture being represented. Like the Minutemen for America, they get glorified by the culture. Or the Musketeers for France. Great stories that get interwoven into the cultural story. In reality these were just people, perhaps with optimal equipment, but often that was nothing special... often they were just a distinguishable group that have good timing or a special impact. It becomes especially true as communications expanded between countries, the technology gap narrows. Take the Russian Cossack as example. It's not entirely clear where specifically the Cossacks originated from, but it's clear their origins are Slavik and link back to the Mongolian riders and traditions. Russian weren't the only ones with Cossack type riders at the time, but the Cossacks supported the monarchy and became an important aspect of the country we know today.

So I view Pracinhas in a similar way. In WW2 everyone had Infantry style troops... but these represent Brazil and they're significant because of the culture being portrayed here.

 

[codepoet]

They probably inherited that from Glasgow Celtic, pronounced the same way .

Bahah so all sports Celtics are mispronounced!

 

[andrewlt]

One of the more obscure Allied powers, yet an Ally nonetheless. Hopefully they'll get a bonus to that effect, something like liberating cities or fighting alongside friendly civs. Certainly not any kind of terrain or promotion bonus. Alot of folks wanted bandeirantes, but their history makes them look more like fortune-hunters than organized military units.



same with the Minuteman for America, yet there they are...

That is true. They probably did it so that America doesn't have 2 late game UUs. Then again, they could've given America a UB instead to avoid that. I also find it strange how a small player like Brazil would have one of the few WW1/WW2 era UUs. It's probably because they gave other European nations too many medieval/early Renaissance UUs, when they really weren't the dominant powers during that time period.

 

[altayrneto]

Site about the Pracinhas (In portuguese...), the best for me,
http://guiadoestudante.abril.com.br...s-como-brasileiros-lutaram-front-434439.shtml

 

[Canabrava]

I don't liked pracinha, bad choose. If brazilian UU must be a modern infrantry, should be jungle infantry, bacause is simple the best in the world.

 

[shaglio]

so maybe Pracinhas are like an Expeditionary Force style unit for Brazil, so their bonuses reflect . . . something to deal with alliances or whatever..

Expanding upon this idea, maybe they get a bonus when fighting units from civs that belong to the other 2 Ideologies that you didn't choose.

 

[berkut]

I'm gonna tell a couple stories I heard about the Pracinhas.

The first one is an official story about 3 praças in scout duty that hold an entire nazi company until they ran out of bullets. They were then asked to surrender, but replied with a bayonet charge. The german official, touched by their courage, decided to pay then a small homage in their tombstones, by whom the story is known.

There was a Time in the Italian campaign that american's and brazilian's battalions where camping side by side. One day, after some americans where spotted inside brazilian's camp, soldiers realized that some items like ammo, food and clothes were missing. They proceed to report it to their general, which in turn talked to his american counterpart asking it back. The american general refused arguing that the brazilians shouldn't had been so careless in times of war. So the brazilian old man came back to his "smoking snakes" and reported the answer to then. The next morning the american general, clearly repented, pledged to give back all the stolen items if only the pracinhas were kind enough to give then back their tanks...

 

[Snoopaloop]

What exactly are the cities building?

Another pracinhas I suppose.

Looks like a building or something to me. Going to squint at the picture again....