Surprising I would not vote for those who are designing Christian pogroms?
I've heard similar sentiments here (in Alberta).
Good thing that literally nobody in either your country or mine is designing Christian pogroms.
The wailing and gnashing goes on, though, as though shutting down churches who spit in the face of covid restrictions is part of some "war on Christianity". It really isn't. Lots of places were shut down for ignoring covid restrictions. Many of them had nothing whatsoever to do with religion.
But the ground is being prepared, by Obama, clinging to your Bibles and guns, rebuking the teachings of Paul, by Clinton, deplorables, by Biden, wild claims of Christian nationalism. And the never-ending campaign to disarm Christians. Dehumanization and demonization. Stages leading up to genocide.
Yes, first they get our guns and then our lives. We will fight.
But this is okay. It is all foretold.
Oh, noes, do anything you want to people I hate, just DON'T TAKE MY GUNS!!!
Honestly, this is part of the reason why, if Canada ever decided to build a real border between our countries, I'd be tempted to help. The utter craziness of your country's religious right-wing filters across and has infested our country to the point where we can't even trust the elected government in my province not to unilaterally declare the province independent (they claim there will be a referendum, but I no longer believe that if there were, that they would conduct it honestly or abide the results if it indicated the majority of us want to stay), or even to follow the laws set out in the Charter of Rights.
but look at the population growth, wonder where are those people are coming from?
Immigration, refugees, asylum seekers (or no, your country tends to kill those or imprison them, so I've read), people having babies...
When I was born 70% of Americans self-identified as Protestants, 22% as Catholics and 4% Jews. As of 2022 those numbers had changed to 34% Protestants, 23% Catholics, 11% non-specific Christians, 2% Jewish and 2% Mormon. The extermination of Christians has been underway for quite some time, and the country has gone to hell in proportion to the exponential increase of the nones, which currently comprise over a fifth of the population. Sadly, many of those who identify as religious are abandoning their core beliefs. This reflects the great falling away prophesized in the Bible. The MAGA movement is a last reactionary gasp of Evangelical Christianity, perhaps not the very last gasp but we are getting to the end. Trump is a summoned champion who does not even appear to understand the faith and is likely to meet a grisly end. Biden is a mockery of his own declared faith, a Catholic who supports abortion. What is that? These are apt candidates of a country who has come to loath itself. The 2024 election is one that no one can win because we are in our death throes as a country. See to your souls and the souls of your children.
Wow!
So over the course of a few decades (not sure how old you are), more people identify as "none" (presumably some combination of atheist, agnostic, humanist, or just 'no religion') than before, and you interpret this as Christians being
murdered?
Seriously?
Could it possibly just be... it's just vaguely possible... that they decided all on their own that religion just doesn't work for them anymore and they opted to stop believing? And that they now either identify as atheist, agnostic, humanist, or just "not religious"? And that some of them are ethical enough NOT to force their children to go to Sunday school for a weekly dose of indoctrination before they've reached the age where critical thinking kicks in and they can make an informed choice for themselves as to what they want to believe?
Though I will agree that there are many who claim to be Christian who don't follow the basic tenets of that faith. It's people like that who run the provincial government here. As long as they mumble a prayer or two, or trot out 'thoughts and prayers' in response to some awful thing happening, they think that's sufficient proof of their faith - even though they turn around and mock the most marginalized people and enact laws and policies designed to make life hell for the marginalized and intrude on matters that should be between an individual, their doctor, and their own conscience.
As for Biden being both Catholic and supportive of abortion... I would imagine, given Biden's personal beliefs, that someone's pointed out to him that women are allowed to vote, and he needs their support. That's been how the Catholic Prime Ministers here have been. Paul Martin was threatened with excommunication for tabling same-sex marriage legislation nearly 20 years ago. He basically told the archbishops that their threats wouldn't stop him. He believed that politicians have a duty to ALL their constituents, and that he leaves his religion at home. It doesn't go to work with him. It's the same, for the most part, with Justin Trudeau (current PM). He's Catholic, and made it very clear to anyone who wanted to run for his party that they would be obligated, if presented with legislation pertaining to women's reproductive rights/access, to vote on the side of maintaining our right to choose.
See, here's the thing about choice and anti-choice. Choice means either termination OR carrying to term. There are actually some women who want to carry to term, but their husband/boyfriend/parents (if a minor) don't want the expense, stigma, or bother of a baby, so they tell the woman (or girl, if a minor) to abort. Some of them are threatened with being kicked out of the home if they don't comply. So don't blame men or Biden for that. Just support legislation, policies, and programs that makes life easier for single women to raise children, and you might find that more of them will want to/be able to carry to term instead of terminate.
If the Christian message has stopped appealing to the same number of people, we just need to evangelize more effectively.
Or you could do the courteous thing and just leave them alone to get on with their lives. If they want religion, I'm sure they can google the nearest church, and there are a bazillion versions of the bible online for free.
Actually, all of that was accomplished by kicking God out of the schools. It was a direct result of liberal politics. We send kids to school and tell them to mind their teachers and what happens?
Are you putting that all on the individual teachers' choices to not indoctrinate, or was any of it due to curriculum changes?
The president has never strongly supported abortion access personally, and it shows.
slate.com
Honestly this is a lot likelier than Gaza to cost him the election given that abortion is basically the one issue where Democrats have a big advantage over Republicans in the polling. Turns out very few Americans are actually freaks who want to torture and kill women for the crime of getting pregnant.
Well, that's a relief. It's not the impression internationally. But there's a difference between your regular people and your politicians, many of whom are absolutely BS!C about abortion.
I will not give him a pass on the sin itself, he is a supporter. And, if my labelling abortion as a sin is offensive, beg pardon. My intent is not to offend. I am simply being consistent with my faith and the text that supports it. I acknowledge other positions.
Yet you still offend, and excuse yourself for it.
Many years ago there was an OT regular (whom I'm sure the old-timers here still remember) who was strident in insisting that women who have abortions should be executed. This 17-year-old kid thought he had enough life experience to say that. He was adamant about it.
He only stopped saying it when I pointed out that he could be advocating the execution of some of the women members of this forum, including me (not that I've ever had an abortion, but I've made it plain that if I'd ever become pregnant I'd have opted for one, and stated the reasons).
I have no idea if any female CFC member has had an abortion, and haven't ever asked. It's not my business, nor is it yours. There is no woman on this planet who owes you an accounting of her reproductive choices, and you have no business being judgmental about it.
The point of Christianity is to realize that on your own you would only ever earn an F, but that Jesus Christ has earned an A on your behalf.
In other words, cheating on a test.
