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Civilization depiction elimination thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Liufeng, Apr 21, 2017.

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  1. Wingednosering

    Wingednosering Prince

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    America - 21
    Arabia - 22
    Australia - 19
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 20
    Egypt - 17
    England - 23 (22 + 1) A blast to play on large island plates. They were arguably the best snowballers even before double trade routes.
    France - 14
    Greece - 20
    India - 18
    Japan - 20
    Kongo - 13
    Macedon - 17
    Norway - 9 (12 - 3) Just not fun to play. The Berserker is the worst unit in the game by a significant margin. The stave church is useless, Harald has a misshapen head and doesn't act like the real Harald.
    Persia - 17
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 22
    Russia - 20
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 21
    Sumer - 17
     
  2. Kimiimaro

    Kimiimaro King

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    Germany disappeared, so I'm adding it back.

    America - 21
    Arabia - 22
    Australia - 19
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 20
    Egypt - 17
    England - 23
    France - 14
    Germany - 16
    Greece - 20
    India - 18
    Japan - 20
    Kongo - 13
    Macedon - 17
    Norway - 9
    Persia - 17
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 22
    Russia - 20
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 21
    Sumer - 17
     
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  3. Zharques

    Zharques Chieftain

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    America - 21
    Arabia - 22
    Australia - 19 + 1 = 20 No matter what you feel about the choice of this civ, it hits the sweet spot between no cultural representation and stereotypical
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 20 - 3 = 17 Great Wall as a unique? Thousands of years of culture and you chose the most Western and stereotypical thing about China. Bring it back as a wonder, not a unique.
    Egypt - 17
    England - 23
    France - 14
    Germany - 16
    Greece - 20
    India - 18
    Japan - 20
    Kongo - 13
    Macedon - 17
    Norway - 9
    Persia - 17
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 22
    Russia - 20
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 21
    Sumer - 17
     
  4. GauntZero

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    America - 21
    Arabia - 22
    Australia - 20
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 17
    Egypt - 17
    England - 23
    France - 14+1=15 I like both the leader choice and her abilities
    Germany - 16
    Greece - 20
    India - 18
    Japan - 20
    Kongo - 13
    Macedon - 17
    Norway - 9
    Persia - 17
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 22
    Russia - 20
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 21-3=18 Not really liking the religion focus without much boni to get one, the other abilities are too weak imo
    Sumer - 17
     
  5. Siptah

    Siptah Eternal Chieftain

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    America - 21
    Arabia - 23 (22+1) A nice version of this civ with its science bonus. And the best UU in the game.
    Australia - 20
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 17
    Egypt - 17
    England - 20 (20-3) Sometimes a day occurs when I just can't stand the glorification of colonialism and imperialism.
    France - 15
    Germany - 16
    Greece - 20
    India - 18
    Japan - 20
    Kongo - 13
    Macedon - 17
    Norway - 9
    Persia - 17
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 22
    Russia - 20
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 18
    Sumer - 17
     
  6. Liufeng

    Liufeng A man of his time

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    America - 21
    Arabia - 23
    Australia - 20
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 17
    Egypt - 17
    England - 20
    France - 15
    Germany - 16
    Greece - 20
    India - 18
    Japan - 20
    Kongo - 13
    Macedon - 17
    Norway - 9
    Persia - 17
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 22
    Russia - 20 + 1 = 21 I really like the way the giant aspect of Russia by giving the Shoshone ability. The Lavra really reflects the religious side of the country, while Peter the Great is a great choice of a leader.
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 18
    Sumer - 17 - 3 = 14 It really hurts me as I badly wanted Sumer to be in the game, but the devs simply took the Epic and created a while civ around it ... the only sumerian things are the UU and the UI. It's so sad ...
     
  7. The Islander

    The Islander Chieftain

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    America - 21
    Arabia - 24 (23 + 1) really like how their science comes before their religion.
    Australia - 20
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 17
    Egypt - 17
    England - 20
    France - 15
    Germany - 16
    Greece - 20
    India - 15 (18 - 3) in real life Gandhi is one of my heroes. I get the joke, but Gandhi as nukemonster is tired.
    Japan - 20
    Kongo - 13
    Macedon - 17
    Norway - 9
    Persia - 17
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 22
    Russia - 21
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 18
    Sumer - 14
     
  8. Amrunril

    Amrunril Emperor

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    America - 21
    Arabia - 24
    Australia - 20
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 17
    Egypt - 17
    England - 20
    France - 15
    Germany - 16
    Greece - 20
    India - 15
    Japan - 21 (20 + 1) Japan's UA is perhaps the most elegant in the game. It's simple and intuitive, yet it unlocks dramatically different approaches to city planning.
    Kongo - 13
    Macedon - 17
    Norway - 9
    Persia - 17
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 19 (22 - 3) The legion and baths are great, but the UA just doesn't seem to fit Rome. There are plenty of civs better known for trade than Rome, and there are plenty of things Rome is better known for than trade. Likewise, the LUA makes Rome the best civ for super early expansion, when it should really peak later than civs like Greece and Egypt.
    Russia - 21
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 18
    Sumer - 14
     
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  9. Returning Lurker

    Returning Lurker Prince

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    America - 21+1=22
    Arabia - 24
    Australia - 20
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 17
    Egypt - 17
    England - 20
    France - 15
    Germany - 16
    Greece - 20
    India - 15
    Japan - 21
    Kongo - 13
    Macedon - 17
    Norway - 9
    Persia - 17-3=14
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 19
    Russia - 21
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 18
    Sumer - 14

    I was quite disappointed to see Persia become a complete and total warmonger with one ability that is all about backstabbing (seemingly just to give Scythia more street cred rather than because that was Persia's most defining characteristic) and another ability that boosts internal trade since you won't be able to send out many routes to your neighbors (again, backstabbing). Also the lessened diplomatic penalty for surprise war is both useless in multiplayer as humans don't have numerical modifiers and useless outside of the classical era in single player since formal wars already ruin your rep. due to the massive diplo penalties for ANY kind of war. Also they released alongside Alexander who was another warmonger making them feel even more redundant. Just all around disappointed by their representation.

    As for America everything feels... American. The bonuses to culture and appeal to attract immigrants, bonuses to fighting on home continent to represent its huge defense budget and manifest destiny, quicker legacy bonuses to show off how quickly Americans build a tradition and culture, and while the Rough Rider is a bit esoteric you can generalize it to pretty much all American cavalry as a lot of our culture was defined by horse riding frontiersmen winning cowboys vs Indians battles which were sensationalized (and glorified) by the media and still hold a lot of sentimental value today so even that seems fitting so long as you extrapolate who they're talking about a little bit. My only real problem is the P-51. It comes way too late the AI never build fighters to give its air superiority a use and also I'm a big fat P-38 Lightning fanboy so the P-51 is immediately overrated trash to me. Either give America a bomber, make fighters useful, or just give them a non-air unit.
     
  10. Morningcalm

    Morningcalm Keeper of Records

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    America - 22
    Arabia - 24
    Australia - 20
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 17
    Egypt - 17
    England - 20
    France - 15
    Germany - 16
    Greece - 20
    India - 15
    Japan - 21
    Kongo - 13 + 1 =1 14 (Very powerful cultural bonuses which allude to Kongo's spiritual and cultural beliefs in a fascinating way. They can't win religiously because Mvemba a Nzinga / Afonso I was an enthusiastic Christian convert, which is mechanically interesting even if it's a bit odd that Mvemba's religious fervor isn't better represented. A decent and catchy musical theme for them from a soundtrack compiled by a priest is quite fitting for Mvemba as well, and the very fact they are in the vanilla game deserves kudos for Firaxis)
    Macedon - 17
    Norway - 9 - 3 = 6 (Weirdly both a stereotypical Viking civ (with longships and the berserker), and a strange attempt at putting religion on the side, ala Scythia. It doesn't work, and it's also vastly underpowered as a civ, without much interdimensionality. Viking trade bonuses aren't anywhere to be found in this civ, nor does anything scream specifically Norway so much as Viking.)
    Persia - 14
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 19
    Russia - 21
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 18
    Sumer - 14
     
  11. Kimiimaro

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    I corrected the totals in my vote.

    America - 22
    Arabia - 24
    Australia - 20
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 20
    Egypt - 17
    England - 20
    France - 15
    Germany - 16+1=17 - Germany is definitely underrated here. It's strong, Hansa is fitting (even if it should be Comerrecial Hub in my opinion), Barbarossa is good choice for leader. Developers made good job with Germany.
    Greece - 20
    India - 15
    Japan - 21
    Kongo - 14
    Macedon - 17
    Norway - 6-3=3 - I'll join the bandwagon. It's weak, shows only the Viking part of Norwegian history, only good part is leader.
    Persia - 14
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 19
    Russia - 21
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 18
    Sumer - 14
     
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  12. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    America - 22
    Arabia - 24
    Australia - 20
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 20
    Egypt - 17
    England - 20
    France - 15
    Germany -17
    Greece - 20
    India - 15
    Japan - 21
    Kongo - 14
    Macedon - 17
    Norway - 3
    Persia - 14
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 19
    Russia - 21
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 18+1=19 A decent reflection of Spanish Empire at its height
    Sumer - (14-3)=11 Epic of Gilgamesh Civ...Not Sumerian Civ
     
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  13. devonitar

    devonitar Chieftain

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    America - 22
    Arabia - 24
    Australia - 20
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 20
    Egypt - 18 (17+1) Their gimmick is always wonder building, but in Civ VI I love how that trait was adapted to new mechanics, while staying true to the source (the river, Nile, being the one responsible of all those achievements).
    England - 20
    France - 15
    Germany -17
    Greece - 20
    India - 15
    Japan - 21
    Kongo - 14
    Macedon - 17
    Norway - 0 (3-3) The same reason as before. Norway is the last civ I played in Civ VI, the fact that can add something more about how I feel.
    Persia - 14
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 19
    Russia - 21
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 19
    Sumer - 11
     
  14. Eliminator_Sr

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    Norway Eliminated above.

    America - 22
    Arabia - 24
    Australia - 20
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 20 - 3 = 17 (Their UU/UI both bring very little to the table and they feel weaker than they should be. Builder charges don't last long enough)
    Egypt - 18
    England - 20
    France - 15
    Germany -17
    Greece - 20
    India - 15
    Japan - 21
    Kongo - 14
    Macedon - 17
    Persia - 14
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 19
    Russia - 21
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 19 + 1 = 20 (Not the most powerful civ but they are themed really well and they have the best leader)
    Sumer - 11
     
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  15. Sagax

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    I think we should really clarify whether a civ's power level should be considered in this thread. I see some people voting based on game balance, and I don't think that's covered under "Civ depiction".

    America - 22
    Arabia - 24
    Australia - 20
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 17
    Egypt - 18
    England - 21 (20+1) - The combination of uniques results in a surprisingly fitting playstyle for a colony-obsessed superpower. It was true even when the civ was weak at launch, and the patches made it more noticeable.
    France - 12 (15-3) - The choice of CDM has been debated about ever since her reveal, but she kinda grew on me over time - although that credit should go to animators and voice actress rather than whoever picked her to represent France. But then they give France a bonus toward wonder construction in Renaissance-Industrial eras.....thus conveniently leaving out the Eiffel tower that's unlocked in Modern era. For some reason that grinds my gears really hard...
    Germany -17
    Greece - 20
    India - 15
    Japan - 21
    Kongo - 14
    Macedon - 17
    Persia - 14
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 19
    Russia - 21
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 20
    Sumer - 11
     
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  16. Zharques

    Zharques Chieftain

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    The Chinese total is off, and I can't vote again because it hasn't been 24 hrs. China is supposed to be on 14, due to my and Eliminator Sr.'s votes.
     
  17. Manifold

    Manifold ModderProtectionAdvocate

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    America - 22
    Arabia - 24
    Australia - 17 (20-3) do we talk about civs or sales market? They should have given them a scout!
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 17
    Egypt - 18
    England - 21
    France - 12
    Germany -17
    Greece - 20
    India - 15
    Japan - 21
    Kongo - 14
    Macedon - 17
    Persia - 14
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 19
    Russia - 21
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 20
    Sumer - 12 (11+1) These are with the best ones!!!
     
  18. DWilson

    DWilson Where am I? What turn is it?

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    America - 22
    Arabia - 24
    Australia - 14 (17-3, one unique doesn't scream Australia, so much as post-colonial English speaking WWII major players).
    Aztec - 21
    Brazil -18
    China - 14
    Egypt - 18
    England - 21
    France - 12
    Germany -17
    Greece - 21 (20+1, a good take away from the Alexander dominated Greek militant empire, to focus more on their other aspects)
    India - 15
    Japan - 21
    Kongo - 14
    Macedon - 17
    Persia - 14
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 19
    Russia - 21
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 20
    Sumer - 12
     
  19. Wingednosering

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    I think game balance shouldn't factor in so much, but 'depiction' in this case can reasonably extend to game design and enjoyability of playing them as well as how well their history/essense was captured in-game.

    America - 22
    Arabia - 24
    Australia - 14
    Aztec - 22 (21 + 1) Overpowered, but I already said game balance doesn't count. I love the synergy of their abilities and how you really feel like you're capturing your enemies to sacrifice them to pave your empire. Only downside? There's no acknowledgement of the floating gardens this time around and they're in that weird tech spot that the mesoamericans often get caught up in...ancient era domination before their time because their tech most lines up with those units. What's there works so well though.
    Brazil -18
    China - 14
    Egypt - 18
    England - 21
    France - 12
    Germany -17
    Greece - 21 (Guess this is both Gorgo and Pericles?)
    India - 12 (15 - 3) India has such a rich history full of interesting leaders, culture, religion and some of the world's most unique weapon designs. Instead of exploring any of that, they just checked off items on a checklist (Ghandi, nuke crazy, elephants). The stepwell breaks the mold, but isn't particularly interesting.
    Japan - 21
    Kongo - 14
    Macedon - 17
    Persia - 14
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 19
    Russia - 21
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 20
    Sumer - 12
     
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  20. Arent11

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    America - 22
    Arabia - 21 (24 - 3) Should be mercantile & religious. & spread its religion through better trade routes.
    Australia - 14
    Aztec - 22
    Brazil -18
    China - 14
    Egypt - 18
    England - 21
    France - 12
    Germany - 18 (17 + 1) Love how they finally decided to depict Germany as production civ. It simply fits.
    Greece - 21
    India - 12
    Japan - 21
    Kongo - 14
    Macedon - 17
    Persia - 14
    Poland - 18
    Rome - 19
    Russia - 21
    Scythia - 17
    Spain - 20
    Sumer - 12
     
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