Civilization List

[Berenthor]

Yeah I like this list as well. The only one I don't agree with, which i didn't notice before, is the Northmen. I think they were neutral or even more good (they helped Gondor against the Wainriders and later spawned the Rohirrim). So definetly not evil in my opinion.

 

[Sengir]

Sorry, picked the wrong list, I've changed them from Neutral (Evil) to Neutral (Good)

 

[xmen510]

I think that would be best as well. The list is also in the Discussion Status Thread (1st Post).

 

[T_F]

Yeah, we've decided to start with Neutral for most of the Men to get a less determined gameplay style, where you can have (say) Saruman stay Good but Rohan turn Evil. We've given them starts in the historical direction, but we're leaving them an open question.

I originally had put Northmen as Neutral (Evil) since I had thought it was referring to the barbarians up in Forodwaith. They should indeed be Neutral (Good).

 

[sandman730]

Originally Posted by T_F
I mostly like the civ list as it stands. I'm not sure about having men divided by alignment at the beginning though. I kind of like the idea of all (or at least most) men starting out neutral and then being attracted to Good or Evil by either the Elves or the Shadow.


I like this, and I think it should be extended to several other civs (see spoiler).

Spoiler for ALIGNMENT SUGGESTIONS:

Spoiler :

STARTING ALIGNMENT (ALIGNMENT MOST LIKELY, i.e. Isengard's would be EVIL)

Elves:
Noldor: House of Finwë - GOOD
Noldor: House of Fëanor - NEUTRAL
Teleri - GOOD
Sindar - NEUTRAL (GOOD, faster than most)
Vanyar - GOOD (PERMANENT GOOD?)

Men:
Nûmenor - NEUTRAL
Arnor - NEUTRAL (GOOD)
Gondor - NEUTRAL (GOOD)
Edain - GOOD
Rohirrim - NEUTRAL (GOOD)
Northmen - NEUTRAL (EVIL)(GOOD)
Dunlending - NEUTRAL (EVIL)
Isengard - NEUTRAL (EVIL, maybe faster than most)
Haradrim - NEUTRAL (EVIL)
Easterling - NEUTRAL (EVIL)
Angmar - EVIL

Shadow:
Mordor - PERMANENT EVIL
Angband - PERMANENT EVIL

Dwarves:
Longbeard - NEUTRAL (GOOD)
Firebeard & Ironfists - NEUTRAL (GOOD? I don't know who they are, so I don't know if it fits)

Don't forget your dïâcrítîcs ^_^

I am totally against this idea of having men start neutral. This is because for some of the scenarios the men have already been persuaded to one side. Also, some civs such as Numenor and Gondor started out good. Also, the Gnomes were good all along. In fact, they were the only people attacking Morgoth for a wile and after that they were still the main civ against Morgoth.

 

[xmen510]

The House of Feanor wasn't especially "Good". Most of these groups did technically start neutral. When we get to scenarios we can change the alignemnts to start at one spectrum or the other however, but in the base game (which will be on a random map to begin with most likely), they should probably start at Neutral.

 

[T_F]

For scenarios, of course they would start with their respective historical alignments. The Noldor (they're still Elves in the final official version of the legendarium, there are no Gnomes in the Quenta Silmarillion) are Good for the House of Fingolfin since they indeed were, but Neutral for the House of Fëanor since they were so Silmaril-obsessed they were willing to do practically anything (like the Kinslaying) to get them.

Gah! Ninja-ed again!