Clown Car III: Who's Laughing Now

[Birdjaguar]

According to a NYT WP article tonight, Trump learned on Jan 7, 2017 that Putin ordered the Russian interference into the 2016 election. He was shown texts and emails from high ranking Russian military leaders that equivalently implicated Putin. Since then, Trump has been part of a cover up. Trump has pissed off the US intelligence community sufficiently that they will now reveal the truth. I guess we'll see how Fox news handles this.

 

[Gori the Grey]

I guess we'll see how Fox news handles this.

Blame Obama and call for an investigation into Hillary.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I'm hoping that "Witch hunt" will now be a thing of the past.

 

[Gori the Grey]

That was Lawrence O'Donnell's take on it. And logically, it should be. But it won't be. Because Trump doesn't work logically.

"Yes, I got that briefing. But Putin has also said very strongly and powerfully that it wasn't true."

 

[Birdjaguar]

Hmmm now I'm hearing that it was the NYT not WP. Well, it was one or the other.

It will turn out to be true.

 

[Takhisis]

NYT, you say? From their online front page:

In His Latest Account, Trump Says He Laid Down the Law
By MARK LANDLER and EILEEN SULLIVAN 59 minutes ago

• “I let him know we can’t have this,” President Trump said in an interview with “CBS Evening News” about his meeting with President Vladimir V. Putin. “We’re not going to have it, and that’s the way it’s going to be.”
• Mr. Trump’s new comments added even more confusion after a day of already conflicting statements about Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.

Trump Lets Self- Interest Sway View of Russian Meddling
By DAVID E. SANGER and MATTHEW ROSENBERG 9:08 PM ET

Since Mr. Trump learned of highly sensitive intelligence about Russian election interference, he has done all he can to suggest other possible explanations.​

 

[onejayhawk]

I disagree. The occurrences were, 1800, 1828, 1840, 1844, 1900, 1908, 1948, 1956 and 1968, so there have been prior instances of there being 20+, 40 and even 50+ years between occurrences. Since the longest prior stretch was 56 years, and the current one is 50, that makes us "about due", get it?

You missed 1892. 1908 is problematic.What definition are you using?

Grover Cleveland was obviously the candidate twice. It's a treble case of a repeated double--same two, four years apart. The last time is 1900. 1908 you have a former President running as what amounts to an independent.

Meh. I still call it inconclusive. Prior to the 20th century, you have repeated cases of the same race occurring twice, with different results. Skipping 1908, we have Dewey and Stevenson who both ran against an unbeatable incumbent. Comparable years include 1984, 1988, 1996, maybe 2012. It's easy to understand why Mondale, Dukakis and Dole did not run again. Romney is a different story and the best argument in your favor.

Hmmm now I'm hearing that it was the NYT not WP. Well, it was one or the other.

It will turn out to be true.

Don't they read of the same music?

J

 

[FriendlyFire]

Could be nothing, but $62,000 in penalties and still owing 1.2 Mil in unpaid taxes
Probably be interesting to see when the 1.2 Mil in outstanding taxes is finally paid. We dont know how heavily leveraged Trump is but several Mil should be nothing for someone of Trumps wealth.

Trump misses property tax deadline on Chicago tower, four other properties

President Donald Trump's company missed deadlines to pay property-tax bills in five states over the past year — and those delays cost the company $61,800 extra in penalties, interest and missed discounts, according to government records and local officials.

This spate of missed deadlines was out of character for the Trump Organization, which receives hundreds of property-tax bills every year. Previously, records show, it had a good record of paying them on time.

But records show that between last November and this April, Trump's company failed to pay property taxes on time in New Jersey, New York, Illinois and California.

In Florida, the company also missed a Nov. 30 deadline to pay its taxes early and claim a 4 percent discount. For the first time in at least nine years, the company waited until January to pay taxes on the Mar-a-Lago Club, two mansions and three golf courses. That wait increased the company's bills by $23,500, records show.

The missed deadlines puzzled real estate experts, who said that for a long-established property company such as the Trump Organization, paying property taxes should be a routine task. The bills arrive for predictable sums of money, at predictable times, with predictable penalties for lateness in paying.

Many companies use computer programs to track upcoming bills and flag them long before they become overdue.

The Post's search found little evidence of deadlines missed by the Trump Organization before 2017, beyond one set of late payments at the Chicago tower in 2015.

But then, late last year, it missed a number of deadlines, in several states — even while it continued to pay some of its bills on time.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-trump-late-property-taxes-20180718-story.html

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I think Cuomo's going to throw his hat in the ring, too.

And Gavin Newsom

 

[Dachs]

According to a NYT WP article tonight, Trump learned on Jan 7, 2017 that Putin ordered the Russian interference into the 2016 election. He was shown texts and emails from high ranking Russian military leaders that equivalently implicated Putin. Since then, Trump has been part of a cover up. Trump has pissed off the US intelligence community sufficiently that they will now reveal the truth. I guess we'll see how Fox news handles this.

It was, indeed, the NYT. Their headline game is very poor.

Many commentators have linked the "source" that the Times mentions to V. V. Putin's purge of several highly placed associates connected to cybersecurity last January: two FSB officers, Mikhailov and Dokuchaev, and one Kaspersky employee, Stoyanov. If that's the case, the chance that Trump, or one of his associates, burned them to the Russian government is quite high. After all, Trump has already been caught compromising sources to the Russian government, in the case of the Israeli intel from last year. This would hardly be out of character for him, and well within his motives and power.

One thing that seems secure is that the Times is only publishing now because of a combination of things: the source is either safe or already burned (the latter seems likely), and therefore is not in any greater danger by being alluded to in the article; and to draw maximum contrast with the administration's current "no colusion [sic]" claims. Put another, less flattering, way, even the Times, with its highly questionable "view from nowhere" false equivalency policy, could no longer sit on this report after the past week of the administration's absurd shenanigans.

 

[metalhead]

The New York Times: "We'd hate to publish something explosive in the final weeks of a campaign which might make it look like we favor one side or affect the outcome."

Also The New York Times: "Oh look stolen emails, let's publish them exactly as they are released according to the editorial purpose of the person who stole them, and not bother to point out they're incomplete and lack context and can't really be verified."

 

[Kyriakos]

"Tο δις εξαμαρτείν ουκ ανδρός σοφού".
Ancient saying, which translates to: "making the same mistake twice, is not a trait of a wise man".

Going for Trump vs Hillary in 2020 is a really bad idea. Even if she wins (which imo is not likely at all; with some degree of sanity/party neutrality checks she won't go past the primaries this time) what is the logic in that?

 

[Broken_Erika]

Then Hillary runs in 2020 under the slogan "Vote for me or Else! You Owe me! Peasants!"

 

[Sommerswerd]

And Gavin Newsom

I hope so. I think he is the Trump killer TBH. He's younger, better looking, and will seem very shiny and new, which should be enough to flip enough of the folks who we need to flip.

 

[rah]

While nominating a woman presents it's own negative, it would make it harder for the other side to pay women to come forward with fake groping charges.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I hope so. I think he is the Trump killer TBH. He's younger, better looking, and will seem very shiny and new, which should be enough to flip enough of the folks who we need to flip.

He's also a progressive fighter.

 

[Takhisis]

Yay!

I told you so! The European Union just slapped a Five Billion Dollar fine on one of our great companies, Google. They truly have taken advantage of the U.S., but not for long!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 19, 2018​

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Yay!

I told you so! The European Union just slapped a Five Billion Dollar fine on one of our great companies, Google. They truly have taken advantage of the U.S., but not for long!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 19, 2018​

The timing is probably not a coincidence. Looks like the EU was waiting to make the ruling after the NATO summit and then decided there's absolutely no point in even trying to appease this cretin.
Google now has 90 days to comply with EU antitrust laws, after that they the fine could be up to 13 million € per day.

Frankly, I think anything short of breaking up the company into smaller pieces is a half-measure, but it's better than nothing.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Winning six trade was at the same time is good and easy ! MAGA

Trump already has initiated 200 Bil on new tarrifs on China, and is looking at new Tariffs on all EU cars. The irony is BMW has it largest plant in the US but it exports the majority of cars manufactured there. It wont take too much to force move BMW production overseas. Especially since China been dropping its regulations, tariffs that TELSA is moving it US production out to China now.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Only 1.1 Trillion ?
Good thing Trump promised that Tax cuts 2.0 in October to cut more taxes. Because you know tax cuts pay for themselves

U.S. deficit now projected to top $1 trillion starting next year
The Trump administration expects the annual budget deficits to rise nearly $100 billion more than previously forecast in each of the next three years, pushing the federal deficit above $1 trillion starting next year.
The revisions, which went largely unnoticed when the White House submitted its annual update to Congress last week, reflect the cost of federal spending increases agreed to earlier this year and higher interest payments.

The White House budget office now estimates that the deficit will rise to nearly $1.1 trillion in the fiscal year that begins this October, or 5.1% of gross domestic product, up from $984 billion projected in February’s budget proposal. The U.S. ran a deficit of $666 billion for the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, 2017, or 3.4% of GDP.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u...-top-1-trillion-starting-next-year-2018-07-19