Clown Car V: 2020 version!

[innonimatu]

Michael Flynn's trial is ongoing. "Lying to the FBI" was not part of any "russian interference in the election", it was his refusal to disclose one talk after the election which was entirely usual diplomacy for a new administration in waiting. Or you think Biden will do nothing until January 20?

Roger Stone was sentenced over lying to the FBI because he tangled himself in contradiction trying to make it look like he had access to Wikileaks material which in fact he did not. He lied about being an insider! His trial in fact showed he could have done no "influencing" on Russia's behalf.

Manafort was your typical highly placed DC lawyer doing business with all kings of corrupt individuals, plenty to sentence him about. Again nothing about "russian influence", any more than the dealings of a certain prodigal son with ukranian oligarchs which somehow we are all to pretend don't exist. Unfortunately arresting him did nothing to clear the corruption, other than signal that to be corrupt you need to make sure that you have allies in the media and judiciary ready to quash any investigation.

Russiagate was bullcrap. And it took until now for those redacted parts admitting "factual hurdles" to be declassified. Now that it no longer matters political. Coincidence?

 

[Takhisis]

"russian interference in the election"

e.g. actual Russian agents like Maria Butina, caught by US authorities

Manafort was your typical highly placed DC lawyer doing business with all kings of corrupt individuals, plenty to sentence him about. Again nothing about "russian influence", any more than the dealings of a certain prodigal son with ukranian oligarchs which somehow we are all to pretend don't exist.

whataboutism

 

[Birdjaguar]

Michael Flynn's trial is ongoing. "Lying to the FBI" was not part of any "russian interference in the election", it was his refusal to dispose one talk after the election which was entirely usual diplomacy for a new administration in waiting. Of you think Biden will do nothing until January 20?

Roger store was sentenced over lying to the FBI because he tangled himself in contradiction trying to make it like he had access to Wikileaks material which in fact he did not. He lied about being an insider! His trial in fact showed he could have done no "influencing" on Russia's behalf.

Manafort was your typical highly placed DC lawyer doing business with all kings of corrupt individuals, plenty to sentence him about. Again nothing about "russian influence", any more than the dealings of a certain prodigal son with ukranian oligarchs which somehow we are all to pretend don't exist. Unfortunately arresting him did nothing to clear the corruption, other than signal that to be corrupt you need to make sure that you have allies in the media and judiciary ready to quash any investigation.

Russiagate was bullcrap. And it took until now for those redacted parts admitting "factual hurdles" to be declassified. Now that it no longer matters political. Coincidence?

Please just stop with this nonsense.

 

[Ajidica]

Michael Flynn's trial is ongoing. "Lying to the FBI" was not part of any "russian interference in the election", it was his refusal to dispose one talk after the election which was entirely usual diplomacy for a new administration in waiting. Of you think Biden will do nothing until January 20?

The FBI was asking Flynn questions as part of a counterintelligence probe to figure out whether there was anything behind the allegations of Trump-Russia-Wikileaks connections. In the process, they determined Flynn lied to the FBI and to the VP about his contacts with Kislyak and (I think) some dodgy Turkish businessmen. The FBI held a subsequent interview with Flynn where they asked him to clarify his statements and Flynn repeated the lie. Michael Flynn was not some schmuck who got caught up in security service plots while trying to appear important like Papadopolous. Michael Flynn was a former spec ops general who was the National Security Advisor and was fully versed in how the US intelligence community works. Had Flynn not made a material lie to the FBI and VP, there wouldn't have been any wrongdoing. Maybe some private reminders under the Logan Act to not present yourself as an agent of the US government when a private citizen, but nothing beyond that.

Roger store was sentenced over lying to the FBI because he tangled himself in contradiction trying to make it like he had access to Wikileaks material which in fact he did not. He lied about being an insider! His trial in fact showed he could have done no "influencing" on Russia's behalf.

Which is what I said. Roger Stone was making active attempts to pretend there was a Russia affair/Wikileaks affair. Information has come out that shows Stone was trying to create a backchannel between himself and Wikileaks to get the inside scoop on the emails/Russian hacking. That it came to nothing (we think) was not known at the time and only came to light because of the investigation.

Manafort was your typical highly placed DC lawyer doing business with all kings of corrupt individuals, plenty to sentence him about. Again nothing about "russian influence", any more than the dealings of a certain prodigal son with ukranian oligarchs which somehow we are all to pretend don't exist. Unfortunately arresting him did nothing to clear the corruption, other than signal that to be corrupt you need to make sure that you have allies in the media and judiciary ready to quash any investigation.

Come off it. Almost every President has some shady family members. Jimmy Carter has his brother Billy flogging the Carter name to sell beer and got caught up in a Libyan money laundering scheme. Bush II's brother/cousin got caught up in a Chinese bribery scheme. Further, and this bears repeating, the GOP Senate Intelligence Committee wrote a report on Hunter Biden and the best they could come up with was that Hunter Biden has poor choices in business partners and the optics weren't good.
What Manafort was up to was a lot more than high placed DC influence brokers and you know it.

 

[IglooDame]

Another Trump scam.
Money raised to mount legal challenges to election results can be used to pay off campaign debts

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...-fine-print-reveals/ar-BB1aN4BB?ocid=msedgdhp

When did Trump start caring about campaign debts?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

When did Trump start caring about campaign debts?

LOL
Isn't there a string of sheriffs that he has stiffed after agreeing to pay for the extra security detail and overtime that his rallies required?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Some very early analysis on how the election map is shaping up:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...diocre-performance-for-down-ballot-democrats/

 

[AmazonQueen]

When did Trump start caring about campaign debts?

Its the RNC that cares about campaign debts. Trump just cares that they have enough money to pay him for when they used his hotels etc.

 

[Berzerker]

And we should, given all the crap we gave people who said "Not my president" 4 years ago.

The country's in a very precarious position in a great number of ways that need to end immediately but won't unless we can pull together. As far as I see it, Democrats threw us a bone by nominating someone like Biden rather than some of their other options. We should rally behind him...

Who is 'we'? I never gave anyone crap for saying Trump wasn't their president, or Obama, Bush, and Clinton. Course I didn't vote for these people either and I never considered them my president. I actually find "not my President" to be anti-authoritarian, people who demand loyalty only to presidents they support and calls to emulate them lead us down a troubling path. The Democrats never tried to unite behind Trump and now they want people they've been smearing for years to get behind them? Good luck with that.

Calling Biden a bone is overly optimistic about people's motives, Trump hate drove Biden's road to victory and Trump's base is also disgusted by the swamp Biden represents. No, Bernie or Gabbard or Yang or maybe even Warren would have been a bone. The Republicans who will unite behind Biden are already part of the establishment - Wall St, military industrial complex and neo-cons... They were never really behind Trump to begin with.

The country's 'fine', the swamp is growing even faster thx to covid... Telling people they must now unite behind criminals after 4 years of Russiagate and riots wont be met with kumbaya.

It should also be pointed out that he governed as "not their president" the entire time and never stopped talking about how we were "not his americans" the entire time. Biden is doing the exact opposite of this so. . .

Didn't minorities do better under Trump's business environment pre-covid? And he pulled back on the reins of Biden's runaway drug war that disproportionally targets black people and ofc those foreign wars Biden promoted. But Joe gave a speech so now he's the great uniter. He also told the big money nothing will fundamentally change, so I guess we wont be uniting behind an end to these wars or a health care system that doesn't bankrupt people.

 

[r16]

trump was a disaster in the making , you know , even beyond what he achieved . Being a brute , a thug , a robber , a guy who puts a knife on your throat for your wallet works ... upto a point . But when you are small fry , when there are people who protect you , from guys who might snap and dare to die , if they will take you along for the ride . Being at the top limits that charade , as shown by the ease Trump is being dumped .

 

[Sommerswerd]

Didn't minorities do better under Trump's business environment pre-covid?

There is no "pre-covid" in terms of evaluating the Trump Presidency, no matter how badly you and Republicans wish there was. Trump's covid malfeasance is part of his presidency and trying to pretend that its not... trying to segregate his term into "Well before covid..." is akin to saying "Well my team 'won' up until the 9th inning when we gave up 20 runs"... yeah that's called you lost.

 

[Kyriakos]

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump runs again, in four years. Assuming he isn't in prison or dead.
He'd still have more than enough supporters to get through the republican nomination, and if he ends up running against Kamala... he will likely win.
Like it or not, he'd have won this too, if it wasn't for covid.

 

[Estebonrober]

Didn't minorities do better under Trump's business environment pre-covid? And he pulled back on the reins of Biden's runaway drug war that disproportionally targets black people and ofc those foreign wars Biden promoted. But Joe gave a speech so now he's the great uniter. He also told the big money nothing will fundamentally change, so I guess we wont be uniting behind an end to these wars or a health care system that doesn't bankrupt people.

Not in any real way, the benefitted from the same decrease in unemployment as others. DACA families were relegated to enemy of the country status along with most of those minorities who didn't happily eat their **** sandwiches he was offering all of us.

Changing federal guidelines on non-violent drug charges is a pittance compared to the problem at hand. It was symbolic in nature and you ate it up like a classic sycophant does.

I'm not a big Biden supporter and will be trying to push him left. As long as he does not draw lines within the current population of the US as one side being good Americans and the others "want to destroy your country" I'll be happier then the last four years. So you can take this whole line of bullfeathers and shove it. Compared to Trump this guy is mother fudging Ghandi.

 

[Zardnaar]

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump runs again, in four years. Assuming he isn't in prison or dead.
He'd still have more than enough supporters to get through the republican nomination, and if he ends up running against Kamala... he will likely win.
Like it or not, he'd have won this too, if it wasn't for covid.

He had incumbents advantage.

He won't get as much exposure until the Republican nomination in 2024.

And might not have the support of Robert Murdoch by then.

If they get a tied Senate Harris is going to get a huge amount of positive exposure.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Trump hate drove Biden's road to victory and Trump's base is also disgusted by the swamp Biden represents..

Dont worry a lot of Iam sure even more of Trumps sychohants are going to be indicted

The country's 'fine', the swamp is growing even faster thx to covid.

Covid is the cause of the Swamp growing ?

 

[Takhisis]

Covid is the cause of the Swamp growing ?

Please. Berzerker insists that global warming is good for humanity, so at this point you should know better than to take him seriously.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Rather makes me think of Adolph Hitler reorganising his high command as the Russians were storming Berlin.

Knew these were coming:

Spoiler NSFW :

My favourite one of these is still the one where he finds out Tebow's Broncos upset the Steelers in the playoffs.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Knew these were coming:

Spoiler NSFW :

My favourite one of these is still the one where he finds out Tebow's Broncos upset the Steelers in the playoffs.

I watched the first one only, too much laughing is risky at my age.

 

[mitsho]

These just don't work when you understand the spoken German. But yes, I'm already looking forward to the reveal books that detail what happened during these days in the White House.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

These just don't work when you understand the spoken German. But yes, I'm already looking forward to the reveal books that detail what happened during these days in the White House.

They will be epic.